AMD vs Intel. Gaming top dog?

[kitfit1]

Well i have news for you.

The birth rate at which a population can sustain its self is 2.1, anything above that is growth.

Western countries like the US, The UK, France, Germany.... the birth rate is 1.4 to 1.7. So in the west our population from births is shrinking, its why our governments are quite happy to keep the boarders open.
In south American counties the birth rate is 2 to 3, on the African continent the birth rate is 3 to 6.

So, are you sure about that? And do you want to tell them to stop breeding?

The reason both South American and African countries have a high birth rate is because of the very high mortality rate. It's very rare for most African countries for instance, to actually have a population large enough to even be able to support an infrastructure through taxes.

 

[humbug]

The reason both South American and African countries have a high birth rate is because of the very high mortality rate. It's very rare for most African countries for instance, to actually have a population large enough to even be able to support an infrastructure through taxes.

The African continent population grows an average of 2.8% annually. 944 Million in 2008 to 1,200 Million in 2017.
This growth despite in the same years span migration from that continent is also growing from 13.3 Million annually in 2008 to 25.4 Million annually in 2017. Between 2008 and 2017 168 Million have migrated out of Africa.

 

[dave28]

The next 5-10 years are going to be very interesting indeed. Especially seeing how Nvidia and Intel will deal with the power restrictions.

Underclock everthing and give away seperate software that alows the user to boost it back to normal at the click of a button

 

[JGStonedRaider]

Underclock everthing and give away seperate software that alows the user to boost it back to normal at the click of a button

So like that i3 processor from a few years back. 3000 series iirc.

 

[HangTime]

Interesting. Did you not think about jumping back to Intel after the 1600?

The thing about the 1600 is it was a very simple upgrade to 3600 (in their case but could be any 3000 series), literally just swap out the CPU assuming you're on latest BIOS, so I think it would be crazy to jump ship from a 1600 to Intel at that point as you end up having to pay extra for a motherboard and the hassle of tearing down and rebuilding the system.

 

[humbug]

The thing about the 1600 is it was a very simple upgrade to 3600 (in their case but could be any 3000 series), literally just swap out the CPU assuming you're on latest BIOS, so I think it would be crazy to jump ship from a 1600 to Intel at that point as you end up having to pay extra for a motherboard and the hassle of tearing down and rebuilding the system.

Well, the 8700K was clearly a faster CPU than the 3600, but £150 more expensive and i had the Motherboard ready in the form of the one the 1600 sat in, the 3600 was a good CPU in its own right and all together £250 cheaper for me to upgrade.

I seriously considered a 9900K after the 3600 as at that point i was going to switch the board out anyway, i almost bough one but the Zen 3 rumours just had me hanging on for a bit longer.

Post the Pentium IV i never has any issues with Intel, i really liked the 4690K but it was starting to show its age, bottlenecking a 1070 in one or two games.

All i can tell you about the 5800X is this, i turn my computer on in the morning, i do some work on it which includes high load rendering ecte.... in the afternoon around 6 or 7PM , sometime earlier i turn the computer off and go do stuff for a few hours, in the evening i come back and play games with friends.

I do that day in day out and have done for as long as i have had it, nearly a year, in that time its never put a foot wrong, nothing, it just does what it does flawlessly without complaint, that really is it, it just does its thing, kind of boring but after initially messing about with it getting stable overclocks and such i have never been back in the BIOS.

 

[Joxeon]

The thing about the 1600 is it was a very simple upgrade to 3600 (in their case but could be any 3000 series), literally just swap out the CPU assuming you're on latest BIOS, so I think it would be crazy to jump ship from a 1600 to Intel at that point as you end up having to pay extra for a motherboard and the hassle of tearing down and rebuilding the system.

Plenty of people on AM4 300 series boards just went out and brought a new board for 5000 series though rather than just dropping in a 3000 series even though it made it quite a costly upgrade.

 

[humbug]

Plenty of people on AM4 300 series boards just went out and brought a new board for 5000 series though rather than just dropping in a 3000 series even though it made it quite a costly upgrade.

Do you realise how many people upgraded from a 6700K to a 7700K knowing they are the same CPU rebranded?

Renewing ones motherboard to a later model with newer features and possibly a better quality without also replacing the CPU is not one of the most asinine things to do, quite often people do it to prepare for an upgrade, as i remember it a lot of people did precisely that, Zen 3 was heavily rumoured as the 500 series motherboard came out.

 

[HangTime]

Plenty of people on AM4 300 series boards just went out and brought a new board for 5000 series though rather than just dropping in a 3000 series even though it made it quite a costly upgrade.

Sure, but the 3000 series came out before the 5000 series. I mean there was a time when 3000 series was the best you could get, so upgrading to a 5000 series would only happen if you waited that long. That's something different than a person upgrading a 1600 and choosing an Intel, which was the point being raised.

In other words, if they were to upgrade from 1600 to an Intel, they'd either be doing so at a point in time when:
a) The 3000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case putting it in a 300 series board already owned makes sense.
b) The 5000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case why would they be going Intel anyway? If you gotta buy

I appreciate you might mean, buying a 400 series board along with the 3000 series CPU (to facilitate future upgrade to 5000 series), but that's quite a lot of forward planning and relying on tech living up to the expectations, I mean what would have happened if the 5000 series came out and got trounced by Intel, you'd have wasted money on the mobo upgrade. Heck it wasn't even clear what chipsets would support 5000 series for a while, it was hoped some 300 series boards might handle it albeit lacking in some features.

 

[jigger]

Sure, but the 3000 series came out before the 5000 series. I mean there was a time when 3000 series was the best you could get, so upgrading to a 5000 series would only happen if you waited that long. That's something different than a person upgrading a 1600 and choosing an Intel, which was the point being raised.

In other words, if they were to upgrade from 1600 to an Intel, they'd either be doing so at a point in time when:
a) The 3000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case putting it in a 300 series board makes sense.
b) The 5000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case why would they be going Intel anyway?

I think Joxen is just upset that AMD are the obvious and in most situations the only choice.

 

[Joxeon]

Sure, but the 3000 series came out before the 5000 series. I mean there was a time when 3000 series was the best you could get, so upgrading to a 5000 series would only happen if you waited that long. That's something different than a person upgrading a 1600 and choosing an Intel, which was the point being raised.

In other words, if they were to upgrade from 1600 to an Intel, they'd either be doing so at a point in time when:
a) The 3000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case putting it in a 300 series board already owned makes sense.
b) The 5000 series was the top AMD CPU, in which case why would they be going Intel anyway? If you gotta buy

I appreciate you might mean, buying a 400 series board along with the 3000 series CPU (to facilitate future upgrade to 5000 series), but that's quite a lot of forward planning and relying on tech living up to the expectations, I mean what would have happened if the 5000 series came out and got trounced by Intel, you'd have wasted money on the mobo upgrade. Heck it wasn't even clear what chipsets would support 5000 series for a while, it was hoped some 300 series boards might handle it albeit lacking in some features.

The point I was making is for anyone still using a 1600 and say a X370 that the best upgrade in terms of value would be to drop a 3000 series chip in even now vs what Intel has or 5000 series.

Obviously not everyone will do this though and some just upgrade every year to what's best regardless of the cost or performance gains.

I think Joxen is just upset that AMD are the obvious and in most situations the only choice.

I don't care who is on top infact I'd prefer both companies doing well and competing rather than a monopoly as it means better value for the consumer. I'm more than happy to use either brand.