AMD vs Intel Single threading?

[Phil2008]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

But they don't always come second.

 

[Joxeon]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

Not if ipc jumps again, 10% with 100mhz on the clock should put amd out infront unless Intel can get 10nm out next year with with decent clocks itself.

 

[jigger]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

You can overclock all Ryzen chips and Intel generally get left in the dust. The K chips hold up somewhat but difference is tiny and under pretty specific situations. Intel just can’t compete.

 

[Panos]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

LoL.

 

[Panos]

Maybe 4K8K should put his money where his unrelenting mouth is and buy a zen2 cpu and "somehow" overclock it like the article he quoted

Too funny how he cherry picks and makes it sound like it is normal.

Look at my 3600 for example. It does 4.4GHz all core at 1.275v. Why does no one else do this I wonder? He basically does not know how to use Google or interpret the results he finds. Lol.

What I do not get is that article boasts about 5Ghz clocks etc on Ryzen Master profile. Yet the author hasn't published for download the profile, so we can import it and see the settings ourselves.
Similarly all those reviewers who do per core OC on their videos, sure yeah. But why hiding the voltages and all the 3 settings at the top of the Ryzen master which do matter for per core OC?

Hence I personally take with a truckload of salt such articles.

 

[Maldoror]

This is not true. You can OC the Ryzen to 6GHz on all cores. I don't see what's the problem to overclock one of its cores to 5.2GHz or more.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-R...a-world-record-breaking-rampage.444817.0.html
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X gets clocked at 5.75 GHz and goes on a world record-breaking rampage

AMD Ryzen 5 smashes records at nearly 6GHz
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-5-smashes-records-at-6ghz/

You "don't see what's the problem" to overclock Ryzen's to 5.2Ghz or more? Try it. Whereas clocking Intel chips like 9900KS (or even 10980XE) to 5.2Ghz is within means of people on this forum, and those setups can actually be used for more than a few minutes under LN2.

The very fact that 5.75Ghz on Ryzen generates a news article undoes your argument - 5.75Ghz on Intel would generate at best a Gamersnexus or JayZ2cent video about how they did it.

The fact of the matter is that AMD run their chips close to their limit and it's very hard to get single threaded performance level with the best overclocked Intel chips. This doesn't make Ryzen chips bad - the gap is close and Intel's prices are often very high. But by pretending that AMD own single thread performance and then linking to IPC graphs only serves to make AMD folk look silly.

Assess each product for its strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Armageus]

As long as intel has the advantage of extra clock speed, amd will always come 2nd to single threaded apps and games.

Clock speed is the only thing intel have and you only have to look back at the Pentium 4 to see how well that ended

 

[TNA]

What I do not get is that article boasts about 5Ghz clocks etc on Ryzen Master profile. Yet the author hasn't published for download the profile, so we can import it and see the settings ourselves.
Similarly all those reviewers who do per core OC on their videos, sure yeah. But why hiding the voltages and all the 3 settings at the top of the Ryzen master which do matter for per core OC?

Hence I personally take with a truckload of salt such articles.

Indeed. But even if it were to be true, all it would mean is he has some golden sample chip or something. It would not represent what Zen 2 can do for everyone. Yet he finds these articles and posts them as evidence thinking he is being clever without realising he is embarrassing himself by showing severe lack of knowledge on how CPU's work.

But when we call him out a few times too many on his lack of knowledge, we end up getting branded trolls in his sıg. Lol.

 

[4K8KW10]

Clock speed is the only thing intel have and you only have to look back at the Pentium 4 to see how well that ended

Pentium 4 had very long execution pipeline which allowed it to have the desired clocks but the trade-off was the bad IPC, both against 2.2-2.4 GHz San Diego chips and Conroe chips.
IPC depends on the length of the pipeline stages, Zen 2 has higher IPC but lower OC potential, plus intel's 14nm++ manufacturing process might add more clocks than both GlobalFoundries 14/12nm and TSMC N7.

 

[Blonked]

If i point out that their has been no mention or ARM or Risc-V would that be considered as stirring ???

 

[Deleted member 66701]

If i point out that their has been no mention or ARM or Risc-V would that be considered as stirring ???

Well, I've been running a 68080 on a Cyclone V all morning, that's where its at

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Intel make the best chips because they have a groundbreaking feature called Stagnation. It allows a CPU to last 10 years

 

[ToTheMax]

Intel make the best chips because they have a groundbreaking feature called Stagnation. It allows a CPU to last 10 years

Intel also optimise for performance, rather than the chumps at AMD that value security pft ^^

 

[TNA]

Intel make the best chips because they have a groundbreaking feature called Stagnation. It allows a CPU to last 10 years

Lol. Yeah man. I did like how my 4770K lasted me over 6 years

 

[Mercutio]

Lol. Yeah man. I did like how my 4770K lasted me over 6 years

2600k @ 4.8-5ghz owner. Nothing worthwhile till... gen... 7+ Intel as a "clearly better" chip. Sat and waited till 2700X for a change... will admit I'm probably back on the "regular upgrade" wagon with Ryzen

Got the 2600K back before the sata degrading issue was fixed on early boards so... 7 years 1 month on the same CPU

 

[humbug]

When the OP asked about Single Threaded performance why would you post a graph that refers to IPC? The two are not the same!

This is the graph you should have posted...

As you can see Intel are still slightly ahead in Single Threaded performance and this is at stock. Considering the Intel CPU's will overclock relatively much higher than Ryzen then the single threaded gap will only get bigger.

Should probably use the newer version of Maxon Cinema 4D.

Of course IPC is application dependant and Cinebench R15 is known for using a slower code path when AMD is detected, These days application vendors tend not to play this game and with that Intel have taken to creating their own benchmarking application suites and calling them "real world performance" what Intel are doing is benchmarking the CPU's themselves on their own software creations and marketing that expecting you to nood, clap and buy their crap.

I think what 8K4K is driving at is 'all things being equal' Ryzen 3000 IPC is so high it often over comes the higher clock speed of Coffeelake.

 

[~>Dg<~]

it all comes down to what you do with your pc. games intel is still ahead. the difference is the gap is small now and the extra cores of the amd make it better value than intel option.

 

[humbug]

it all comes down to what you do with your pc. games intel is still ahead. the difference is the gap is small now and the extra cores of the amd make it better value than intel option.

That's a pretty good summery.

 

[Robert896r1]

Amd will need Zen3 to take an absolute lead if rumored improvements are true.

Right now a 9900k(s) can oc all cores to 5.2ghz and hold that clock.

That’s just not something the zen2 8 core chips can keep up with.

With that said unless you enjoy the overclocking process, a zen chip will run closer to its max potential than a 9900k