AMD Vs Intel

[Alexrose1uk]

My mate used to be an Intel Zealot as well, after much persuading on my part when he was looking to get a system, he got a 3500+ and has since announced he doesn't know what he was thinking, and is now an AMD zealot all the way. I dont know many people who can boast the same rapid, zealous conviction to Intel.

 

[Things change I've changed]

I,ve said this before and I'll keep saying it, Stability, Stability, Stability, I'm aware that currenty AMD offer better price to performance at the moment but I'd rather sacrafice a few frames per secound to have a rock solid system, I sometimes Keep my systems on for months without even a reset, never even a whisper of a problem, just take a look at these forums, there full of AMD users having conflicting issues with thier thirdparty chipset cpu match ups, hardly ever do you see people with gen intels setups having issues at all, I'll sing the praises of Intel allways b-cos their allways stable and thats my main concern when building a system more than anything, and also like some people have said end of the day a high end AMD and a high end Intel system can both play games very comfortably anyway.

 

[easyrider]

I,ve said this before and I'll keep saying it, Stability, Stability, Stability, I'm aware that currenty AMD offer better price to performance at the moment but I'd rather sacrafice a few frames per secound to have a rock solid system, I sometimes Keep my systems on for months without even a reset, never even a whisper of a problem.

Sweeping statements.
The old arguement of stability.

I had a intel system just like yours.

It was stable

I now have a AMD dual core system and guess what?

It is as stable and yet faster!

So I guess I have the best of both worlds.

Oh I forgot my AMD system was cheaper too

 

[FreeStream]

I,ve said this before and I'll keep saying it, Stability, Stability, Stability, I'm aware that currenty AMD offer better price to performance at the moment but I'd rather sacrafice a few frames per secound to have a rock solid system, I sometimes Keep my systems on for months without even a reset, never even a whisper of a problem, just take a look at these forums, there full of AMD users having conflicting issues with thier thirdparty chipset cpu match ups, hardly ever do you see people with gen intels setups having issues at all, I'll sing the praises of Intel allways b-cos their allways stable and thats my main concern when building a system more than anything, and also like some people have said end of the day a high end AMD and a high end Intel system can both play games very comfortably anyway.

WTF!? What ARE you on about!? My X2 has been up the last 5 months, the
only crashes ive had are bloody nvidia gfx drivers Its been gaming/folding @ 100% load for 99% of the time. Stability DOES NOT come into it, 99% of the time it is system/driver/user error. If like apple and it was designed for ONE platform and ONE system it would have much much less chance of crashing, but alas they have to cater for loads of systems, thousands of programs, hundereds or even thousands of hardware configurations.

AMD win in nearly all accounts, power usage, overclocks on air etc.

I'd like to see a 66% overclock from a SC P4 on stock cooling.

I have a 2.53G P4 from a few years ago, recently it has been falling over, crashing, temps are fine, reinstall windows, still there, I wonder whats happened?

I think this should be closed, ALL the evidence suggests that AMD are on top at this moment in time, this MAY or MAY NOT change.

Conc

 

[Overlag]

I,ve said this before and I'll keep saying it, Stability, Stability, Stability........

erm both are stable platforms

infact Intel is less likely to be stable now, since most of them have load temps of +60c.

i suppose you want to use Intel graphics cards too, since they are so stable?

 

[Things change I've changed]

WTF!? What ARE you on about!? My X2 has been up the last 5 months, the
only crashes ive had are bloody nvidia gfx drivers Its been gaming/folding @ 100% load for 99% of the time. Stability DOES NOT come into it, 99% of the time it is system/driver/user error. If like apple and it was designed for ONE platform and ONE system it would have much much less chance of crashing, but alas they have to cater for loads of systems, thousands of programs, hundereds or even thousands of hardware configurations.

AMD win in nearly all accounts, power usage, overclocks on air etc.

I'd like to see a 66% overclock from a SC P4 on stock cooling.

I have a 2.53G P4 from a few years ago, recently it has been falling over, crashing, temps are fine, reinstall windows, still there, I wonder whats happened?

I think this should be closed, ALL the evidence suggests that AMD are on top at this moment in time, this MAY or MAY NOT change.

Conc

I love it when people come on here an actually think they know what they are talking about, , B-COS STABILITY DOES COME INTO IT, there is no other system more stable than a GEN Intel cpu + Intel Chipset + Gen Intel M/B combanation, Providing they are backed up with a good PSU and Memory that is,

An AMD system matched with THIRD PARTY chipset and THID PARTY M/B will not be as stable, I am not saying that intel cpu's are better, I'm saying that an Intel based system is more stable, Yes an AMD system will be damm stable pair'd with the right gear but not qiute as astable as an all out Intel system, I have not came to this conclusion through owning a couple of systems but through working with and repairing PC's for over a decade.

Compare systems not chips as the chips don't run by themselfs if they did then, yes they are of equal stability but they don't, half the time its down to the chipset that determins how stable the system is and if your saying intel make unstable chipsets then your proberbly be the first person I,ve heard say that, ever.

 

[speeduk]

My A64 rigs have been stable ever since my 3200 on a crappy via mobo (one of the first). That was only unstable when overclocking.

The latest DFI motherboards and AMD cpu's are about as stable as you can get really. I even built my parents a rig based around a 3000 and a DFI mobo.

Only problems that crop up are software or driver related.

And I just looked at a review on the top end intel chip @ £800 and they said the first chip they ran more or less melted and the second was reaching load temps of 95c.

That was the first google result for "955 extreme edition". http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1907165,00.asp

I dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt have a cpu that runs over 70c in my rig.

 

[speeduk]

I love it when people come on here an actually think they know what they are talking about, , B-COS MY FRIEND STABILITY DOES COME INTO IT, there is no other system more stable than a GEN Intel cpu + Intel Chipset + Gen Intel M/B combanation, Providing they are backed up with a good PSU and Memory that is,

An AMD system matched with THIRD PARTY chipset and THID PARTY M/B will not be as stable, I am not saying that intel cpu's are better, I'm saying that an Intel based system is more stable, Yes an AMD system will be damm stable pair'd with the right gear but not qiute as astable as an all out Intel system, I have not came to this conclusion through owning a couple of systems but through working with and repairing PC's for over a decade.

Compare systems not chips as the chips don't run by themselfs if they did then, yes they are of equal stability but they don't, half the time its down to the chipset that determins how stable the system is and if your saying intel make unstable chipsets then your proberbly be the first person I,ve heard say that, ever.

Look mate a rig is either stable or its not. There is no such thing as more stable than stable.

Have you even run an A64 rig recently?

 

[smids]

nForce4 is probably the most common chipset now for AMD64's - and it has proven stability. nVidia have done an excellent job with this chipset and it is very reliable. Yes, Intel chip on intel board with intel chipset will be most stable, but who would doubt that? It has been designed for use with that... extensive testing etc.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Look mate a rig is either stable or its not. There is no such thing as more stable than stable.

Who said there was , oh dear looks like i,ve upset part of the AMD fan club again,

I'm just saying that an Gen Intel system with Gen Intel m/b with intel chipset is more stable than an AMD with thirdparty match up, maybie only by the slightest of margins but none the less more stable, THATS IT,

God these forums don't give Intels users not even an inch, YES YOUR AMD CHIPS ARE FASTER, YES THEY RUN COOLER, YES THEY ARE CHEAPER, but you can't take away the that that Intel make proberbly the most stable chipsets in the world, i'm sorry I not trying to hurt peoples feelings but thats a well known FACT.

 

[Things change I've changed]

nForce4 is probably the most common chipset now for AMD64's - and it has proven stability. nVidia have done an excellent job with this chipset and it is very reliable. Yes, Intel chip on intel board with intel chipset will be most stable, but who would doubt that? It has been designed for use with that... extensive testing etc.

Thankyou, I could almost kiss you .

 

[badbob]

Look mate a rig is either stable or its not. There is no such thing as more stable than stable.

Who said there was , oh dear looks like i,ve upset part of the AMD fan club again,

I'm just saying that an Gen Intel system with Gen Intel m/b with intel chipset is more stable than an AMD with thirdparty match up, maybie only by the slightest of margins but none the less more stable, THATS IT,

God this forum don't give Intels users not even an inch, YES YOUR AMD CHIPS ARE FASTER, YES THEY RUN COOLER, YES THEY ARE CHEAPER, but you can't take away the fact that that Intel make proberbly the most stable chipsets in the world, i'm sorry I not trying to hurt peoples feelings but thats a well known FACT.

Have to agree with Lowrider, the AMD's I have used were unstable. However every single Intel I've owned has been totally stable. Although the AMD machine was not my own. Friends networked AMD's were unstable but once the PSU's were replaced and drivers updated they're now fine. I want to get a AMD Athlon 64 system so hope stable.

 

[speeduk]

Well I guess im stupid but to me a rig is either stable or its not. I aint saying an intel rig is crap or anything but how can an out of the box cpu thats been tested to be 100% stable at stock speed and a motherboard thats been tested to be 100% stable at stock speed be any more stable than another motherboard and cpu thats been tested just the same?

Sure you get some bad batches or dodgy bioses etc.

If one mobo is known to be unstable then don't buy it. Can be said for intel or AMD.

I guess I need to use some intel rigs to appreciate them?

 

[Things change I've changed]

Well I guess im stupid but to me a rig is either stable or its not. I aint saying an intel rig is crap or anything but how can an out of the box cpu thats been tested to be 100% stable at stock speed and a motherboard thats been tested to be 100% stable at stock speed be any more stable than another motherboard and cpu thats been tested just the same?

Sure you get some bad batches or dodgy bioses etc.

If one mobo is known to be unstable then don't buy it. Can be said for intel or AMD.

I guess I need to use some intel rigs to appreciate them?

Your not stupid your just mis-understood , nothing out the box is factually 100% stable, 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 stable maybie,

Its not as black and white as a m/b cpu etc is either stable or its not, components have different gradients of stablitlity, just b-cos you peice a system together and it turns on does'nt mean that its 100% stable.

 

[speeduk]

Your not stupid your just mis-understood , nothing out the box is factually 100% stable, 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 stable maybie,

Its not as black and white as a m/b/cpu etc is either stable or its not, components have different gradients of stablitlity, just b-cos you peice a system together and it turns on does'nt mean that its 100% stable.

Well if its built right then it should be. If its not then a part is defective and its RMA time.

All the rigs ive bunged together have been stable in everything unless its to do with the graphics card driver in a specific game etc.

The way I look at it is - if a rig can run everything there is then it's stable. If it cannot then it's unstable.

Most of my problems have come from graphic card or sound card drivers when a new game comes out. Or trying to overclock on a via mobo with no locks.

I can't remember any of my cpu's or mobos not being stable at stock for anything.

I have built rigs based around duron 700, Athlon 1gig, 1700XP, 2400XP, 2500 and 3200 bartons and 3000, 3200, 3400 and this opteron 144 all with different via and nforce motherboards and I have to say I have not had a problem that relates directly to the motherboard or CPU.

I had problems with the 9700pro and openGL and some games just being a pain with the CD/DVD protection software and with the lack of locks on older VIA mobos.

I think the problem with AMD setups is with memory and the onboard mem controller and some bioses. I have been lucky so far but I know that some people have had problems with some memory makes.

Always get a brand like OCZ or corsair if you can anyway. Maybe its just that AMD mobos or cpus can be more fussy to get working with some configs but if you read on whats most compatible then you can't go wrong really.

But an AMD rig is not less stable.

 

[n3x]

well isnt this jolly lol i do like a good intel vs amd thread...

is it just me or are we all bickering about the stableness of our systems after we have clocked the **** out of them? I'd be quite happy if my system was to crash once in a blue moon after all the hard work i put it through (not that it does). The last pentium i had was a P120, since going amd i havnt looked back and i dont regret it. I like to think im not biased, i hear more good things about amd than i do about intel and its that simple to me. I go by word of mouth, and the mouth (and the bank manager) say amd, the end...

thinking about it, my pc is far more stable than my mobile phone lol!

oh one last thing... could a someone point me towards a forum that on which, the majority of users prefer pentiums??

 

[Raikiri]

n3x... not really. Maybe XS as they do a lot of heavy clocking so it will be mor even.

Lowrider: My AMD cpu that cost £93 with a 25% OC is as stable as your stock system and faster. (I have run it for about a month on end without a crash). The only reason it goes off is to tweak some settings or if I install new drivers/programs.

 

[stigggeh]

6-12 month ago

[intel] "well my P4 can multi task"
[AMD] "who wants to multitask, my games are better than yours.

people on amd's now spend most of there time banging on about how gaming on one core, encoding on the other, making cups of tea with the other.....

isn't it funny.... wonder what the next intel v's amd thread will be about.

 

[smids]

6-12 month ago

[intel] "well my P4 can multi task"
[AMD] "who wants to multitask, my games are better than yours.

people on amd's now spend most of there time banging on about how gaming on one core, encoding on the other, making cups of tea with the other.....

isn't it funny.... wonder what the next intel v's amd thread will be about.

Be fair though, HT is not multitasking. It is an efficient use of the core. Now AMD X2's have the benefit of good gaming in terms of one core running the game well and then you have the multitasking capability.

AMD built upon an already good processor and the reason Intel are announcing all this quad core stuff etc is to draw the light back to them because they are seriously worried about AMD's rise.

I read earlier that in mid 2003 AMD has zero share of the server market and now it has a 16% market share.

 

[stigggeh]

Be fair though, HT is not multitasking. It is an efficient use of the core. Now AMD X2's have the benefit of good gaming in terms of one core running the game well and then you have the multitasking capability.

AMD built upon an already good processor and the reason Intel are announcing all this quad core stuff etc is to draw the light back to them because they are seriously worried about AMD's rise.

I read earlier that in mid 2003 AMD has zero share of the server market and now it has a 16% market share.

What i was trying to say though is, people (especially on here) try to justify what they have is best... i am not aiming this at anyone

i just find it funny that AMD boys on here didn't care last year about multitasking (lets face it HT processor is better than single processor i have had both so i can comment on that) now AMD have it cracked, its the best thing since sliced bread.

Also i wonder how many of the arguments made in this thread (from both sides) are made up of purley benchmark results on putyourreviewsitehere.com and how many actually have tried both processors.....