AMD wants to improve gaming in Linux and Steam boxes

[Rusty0611]

So just random nonsense? a troll grenade?

I like Ice Cream, when someone brings Nvidia into a thread where it has no relevance to the debate don't you think its reasonable for pepole say "Why, WT#... are you on about?"

It was neither of those things but when you're being so unreasonable with your remarks there's little point wasting time trying to point out what relevance it had.

Brand defence 101 to the rescue.

As Martini said, and I will further, your debating skills are really poor or you're being purposefully ignorant to try to avoid losing the argument.

 

[andybird123]

I have some paranoia about where Windows are heading.

From the same person that said that Microsoft should be handed control of Mantle...

 

[Martini1991]

From the same person that said that Microsoft should be handed control of Mantle...

As much as I love to see someone get slaughtered, I think you need to offer up a quote on that, one which hasn't been taken in the wrong context.

Yes, I'm somewhat defending the bug

 

[Boomstick777]

Think Mantle is awesome. Run BF4 @ 1440P / Ultra settings with MSAA Disabled (Cripples my game for some reason)

Runs nice and smooth keeps 60fps.

If they can get similar performance in Linux with Mantle it will be pretty awesome, especially considering Linux is a free OS.

 

[bru]

One thing I really don't understand is why people hate windows so much?
It works, it allows you to play all the games you want on the PC, yes sometimes there are issues, but I can guarantee there will be on any other OS as well (probably more if it is a new OS).
Is it because Microsoft is the big evil corporation that screws people over, well to be honest yes they might have some questionable business practices but so does every other company out there, but they hardly ever effect us the little people.
Is it the interface that we are forced to use? is it really any worse than being forced to use the steam interface, you get no choice with that, at least windows is very very configurable.
I assume it must be the price, £80+ every 3-5 years, so that's less than the price of a game a year many of which we only get 30-40+ hours of play out of.

I really don't get it.

 

[ubersonic]

Nvidia use OpenGL to forward their own interests, not Linux. they have no interest in Linux.

Nvidia got behind Linux some time ago, IIRC they started actively working with the guys hacking together Linux drivers and started supplying them source code.

 

[humbug]

Good then Nvidia are fine for Linux. ^^^^

From the same person that said that Microsoft should be handed control of Mantle...

surely you just made that up.

One thing I really don't understand is why people hate windows so much?
It works, it allows you to play all the games you want on the PC, yes sometimes there are issues, but I can guarantee there will be on any other OS as well (probably more if it is a new OS).
Is it because Microsoft is the big evil corporation that screws people over, well to be honest yes they might have some questionable business practices but so does every other company out there, but they hardly ever effect us the little people.
Is it the interface that we are forced to use? is it really any worse than being forced to use the steam interface, you get no choice with that, at least windows is very very configurable.
I assume it must be the price, £80+ every 3-5 years, so that's less than the price of a game a year many of which we only get 30-40+ hours of play out of.

I really don't get it.

Why do you think people hate Microsoft? i think your reading far to much into it.

Microsoft could do with some healthy competition, right now they are the only OS provider for Gamers, that has lead to stagnation and blatantly not listing to what people want from the OS.

DirectX has been pretty much the same for many years and it was never much good to start with.

even before windows 8 was released there was a lot of disapproval at removing the start menu, the '6 year old with crayons' like design..... all of it ignored by Microsoft, and still is.

Its about time they got some competition, competition is good.

 

[ubersonic]

As much as I love to see someone get slaughtered, I think you need to offer up a quote on that, one which hasn't been taken in the wrong context.

Yes, I'm somewhat defending the bug

I believe he is referring to this, but personally I thought it was a joke/sarcasm at the time and still do:

Youre not making any sense. Obviously AMD cant be left in control of mantle, the very definition of the term Open API dictates that it would need to be controlled by a third party with no commercial interests (conflict of). So someone needs to control this Open API. So who?

You cant just wave your hands about excitedly saying "Game Devs", it's nonsense.

Microsoft?

 

[humbug]

I believe he is referring to this, but personally I thought it was a joke/sarcasm at the time and still do:

There is a question mark on the end of it, i was asking Andy.

Thats very different from.

From the same person that said that Microsoft should be handed control of Mantle

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Good then Nvidia are fine for Linux. ^^^^



surely you just made that up.



Why do you think people hate Microsoft? i think your reading far to much into it.

Microsoft could do with some healthy competition, right now they are the only OS provider for Gamers, that has lead to stagnation and blatantly not listing to what people want from the OS.

DirectX has been pretty much the same for many years and it was never much good to start with.

even before windows 8 was released there was a lot of disapproval at removing the start menu, the '6 year old with crayons' like design..... all of it ignored by Microsoft, and still is.

Its about time they got some competition, competition is good.

This bit I agree with. As for DirectX never being any good to start with, I'm less sure about that. Wasn't it the best of the APIs for a long time? (OpenGL being the other main API)
Does that mean it can't be improved? No.
But just because things evolve and progress doesn't mean that what they evolved from wasn't any good. I'm sure at some point in the future Mantle will be improved upon, even if it's by a newer version of Mantle.

Back to the competition being good, it's true, but it's been true for a while and nobody has done anything about it. Steam/Valve are the only ones looking to change that.

 

[Martini1991]

There is a question mark on the end of it, i was asking Andy.

Thats very different from.

You weren't asking Andy who the third party should be, it looks like you're putting Microsoft up as a suggestion. So it's not as Andy's said really.

To me that is, if you didn't mean it that way, then fair enough, but I have a hard time believing you about anything really

 

[humbug]

You weren't asking Andy who the third party should be, it looks like you're putting Microsoft up as a suggestion. So it's not as Andy's said really.

To me that is, if you didn't mean it that way, then fair enough, but I have a hard time believing you about anything really

Isn't all this just a pointless side argument again?

I never said MS should be handed control of Mantle as Andy put it. there is nothing more to be said about it, so why not just move on instead of resorting to suggestive interpretations of what i meant.

I go on to say that i don't care about who has control of Mantle or who uses it as long it is widely used.

The intent of my response to Andy could not be more clear.

 

[Martini1991]

1.) Not my argument.
2.) I didn't believe you said it as Andy put it, I was the first to say it pretty much.
3.) You're even quoting me saying that it's not really as Andy said.
4.) I'm not sure what else you could be saying with "Microsoft?", other than suggesting it.
5.) We'll leave it, don't want to hurt your feelings.

 

[humbug]

Not my argument.

We'll leave it,

Thank you, i think the topic of debate is much more interesting.

 

[ubersonic]

There is a question mark on the end of it, i was asking Andy.

I see, well because you answered a question with a question it looked like you were offering a suggestion, I am guessing he like most saw it as such (personally I though it was a tongue in cheek suggestion not a real one).

As for DirectX never being any good to start with, I'm less sure about that. Wasn't it the best of the APIs for a long time? (OpenGL being the other main API)

No, it was always second fiddle to OpenGL (after it had surpassed Glide, MeTaL, PowerGL, etc) it's just Microsoft utilized the almighty chequebook to embark on a campaign of FUD and dev bribery to see Direct3D's market share rise. It wasn't until about Direct3D 10 that it was actually "better" than OpenGL and again that was only due to Microsoft's open warfare campaign.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I see, well because you answered a question with a question it looked like you were offering a suggestion, I am guessing he like most saw it as such (personally I though it was a tongue in cheek suggestion not a real one).




No, it was always second fiddle to OpenGL (after it had surpassed Glide, MeTaL, PowerGL, etc) it's just Microsoft utilized the almighty chequebook to embark on a campaign of FUD and dev bribery to see Direct3D's market share rise. It wasn't until about Direct3D 10 that it was actually "better" than OpenGL and again that was only due to Microsoft's open warfare campaign.

I think I was mis-remembering this (which I believe has been posted on these forums before):
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows
They're answers to a question written by users, so may not be entirely accurate and may be influenced by opinions, but I still think the first answer at least (the big one) is a good read.
Someone also makes the good point that people often say DirectX when what they mean is Direct3D.

 

[triss]

On subject of what api is best for years And At the moment the best gaming API for the majority of gamers is infact DIRECT X . That is true if Humbug likes to admit it or not

 

[humbug]

On subject of what api is best for years And At the moment the best gaming API for the majority of gamers is infact DIRECT X . That is true if Humbug likes to admit it or not

Because its the only one currently in mass circulation, its the only choice in the wording that you use, its a bad choice where no other exists, thats the problem.

Well, i have a choice.

 

[triss]

Because its the only one currently in mass circulation, its the only choice in the wording that you use, its a bad choice where no other exists, thats the problem.

Well, i have a choice.

You have a choice in some games for the majority of games you dont
I do think both vendors should have tryed to add effects like the gameworks concept (not saying locked for either or that i agree with all of gameworks idea's) and better IQ rather then leaving all of that mostly to DX, Yes tress hair is great and thats another example of what i feel the venders themselves were quite capable of doing
Competition in the API market is good if its for everyone but i can see why mantle is restricted to newer GCN cards as to make it for more would reduce its effectiveness to most likely to worse or equal the difference you find on your cards betweeen DX and mantle and therefore pointless

 

[JediFragger]

You have a choice in some games for the majority of games you dont
I do think both vendors should have tryed to add effects like the gameworks concept (not saying locked for either or that i agree with all of gameworks idea's) and better IQ rather then leaving all of that mostly to DX, Yes tress hair is great and thats another example of what i feel the venders themselves were quite capable of doing
Competition in the API market is good if its for everyone but i can see why mantle is restricted to newer GCN cards as to make it for more would reduce its effectiveness to most likely to worse or equal the difference you find on your cards betweeen DX and mantle and therefore pointless

This hurts my eyes