AMD wants to improve gaming in Linux and Steam boxes

PhysicsMan94 · 18 Jun 2014 at 15:41

LtMatt said:
Unless you're telling me you know Mantle better than Thracks.

Not this tripe again, when you start doing this in debates it's pointless to even make any more points as you're clearly not listening. So, to hell with this, I'm going to play some PlanetSide 2 instead...

humbug · 18 Jun 2014 at 15:44

PhysicsMan94 said:
Key word being "if" in my post you quoted, as I quite rightly pointed out previously.

And it is abundantly clear that in any case drivers are still very important for any 3D graphics application, note the very last part of Thrack's statement here:

Therefore, of course, AMD's Linux drivers are still going to have to be good to obtain decent performance - they can't just produce any old crap and rely on the game developer to get it to work.

Your stating the obvious and its meaningless, you said it yourself, AMD have done nothing with Linux, they are now. The fact that they invented this API and got it working beautifully in Windows is every reason to believe they know exactly what they are doing with it.

LtMatt · 18 Jun 2014 at 15:58

PhysicsMan94 said:
Not this tripe again, when you start doing this in debates it's pointless to even make any more points as you're clearly not listening. So, to hell with this, I'm going to play some PlanetSide 2 instead...

PM all im saying is AMD's OpenGL drivers being poor does not mean Mantle on Linux won't work, if implemented. If it's for other reasons that you didn't make clear, then fair enough but you only mentioned their drivers. No hard feelings.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 15:59

humbug said:
So in your mind because Nvidia have better Linux drivers now AMD cannot integrate Mantle successful into Linux for the future?

Where did I say that? Oh. No where.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:09

humbug said:
Your stating the obvious and its meaningless, you said it yourself, AMD have done nothing with Linux, they are now. The fact that they invented this API and got it working beautifully in Windows is every reason to believe they know exactly what they are doing with it.

Its only working beautifully if you ignore those with whom it's not working fine for at all. I'm in the "it's perfect for me" queue, but that's irrelevant.

humbug · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:09

Martini1991 said:
Where did I say that? Oh. No where.

Then what are you saying, why compare Nvidia to AMD?

What does that have to do with AMD in Linux and Mantle?

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:20

Well, you were talking about Nvidia and Linux, the example where I believe torvus sticks up the finger? This being about Nvidia supporting Linux etc. And Nvidia have better driver support than AMD. Which contradicts your "dissing" of Nvidia and Linux

You can't say something, get called out on it, and then start putting words in people's mouth, which is what you're doing.

humbug · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:25

Martini1991 said:
Well, you were talking about Nvidia and Linux, the example where I believe torvus sticks up the finger? This being about Nvidia supporting Linux etc. And Nvidia have better driver support than AMD. Which contradicts your "dissing" of Nvidia and Linux

You can't say something, get called out on it, and then start putting words in people's mouth, which is what you're doing.

Actually like you PhysicsMan is also bringing AMD vs Nvidia into a Mantle-Linux thread, and its all irrelevant hyperbolic comparisons that say nothing at all about the subject we you talking about here.

Nvidia do not come into it, i still don't see why Nvidia have been brought into this or how they are relevant here.

Thats the answer i'm looking for.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:29

I didn't bring Nvidia into it, I replied to your post.
Your debating skills are weak.

Rusty0611 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:29

By comparing their historical 'quality' of Linux work compared to AMD. Nothing more; nothing less. It wasn't an invalid comparison to make.

Tin foil hat time.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:30

I didn't bring Nvidia into it, I replied to your post.
Your debating skills are weak.
But I guess it's fine for you to change your tune when you're "losing".

Admiral Huddy · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:30

bit late in sorry..Very interesting article that.. I praise the day when i can ditch MS Windows in favour of choice of OS. I've played a few steam games in MINT it all works smoothly.. Just those tied to DX roots.

i just can't ever seeing it happen though.

Rusty0611 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:33

Me neither to be honest.

I don't mind Windows and Microsoft in general but choice is always good and having different choices drives standards up which benefits the end user in the medium term. That is what I wish would happen.

humbug · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:35

Rusty0611 said:
By comparing their historical 'quality' of Linux work compared to AMD. Nothing more; nothing less. It wasn't an invalid comparison to make.

Tin foil hat time.

So just random nonsense? a troll grenade?

I like Ice Cream, when someone brings Nvidia into a thread where it has no relevance to the debate don't you think its reasonable for pepole say "Why, WT#... are you on about?"

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:38

When steamOS launched for the first day. I gave fm 14 a bash natively, wasn't bad.
But they've done comparisons of games that are on steamOS native to their windows performance (excluding steams biased comparison) and steamOS had inferior performance or parity.

GoogalyMoogaly · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:41

humbug said:
So just random nonsense? a troll grenade?

I like Ice Cream, when someone brings Nvidia into a thread where it has no relevance to the debate don't you think its reasonable for pepole say "Why, WT#... are you on about?"

Seems perfectly fine to bring AMD into Nvidia threads though?
There was a thread on 880 pricing the other day which ended up being AMD vs. Nvidia. Let's see who brought up AMD in that...

Here:

LtMatt said:
If this is true this is good for the AMD guys as well. No matter how cheap or how fast the new Nvidia card is, you can be sure the AMD card will be roughly as fast but come in much cheaper. Win win for all.

Stick with me, I'll look for the post where Humbug moans about the thread turning into AMD vs. Nvidia...

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:41

humbug said:
So just random nonsense? a troll grenade?

I like Ice Cream, when someone brings Nvidia into a thread where it has no relevance to the debate don't you think its reasonable for pepole say "Why, WT#... are you on about?"

Any validity you may have vanished when you tried to counter with flawed points.

humbug · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:42

Admiral Huddy said:
bit late in sorry..Very interesting article that.. I praise the day when i can ditch MS Windows in favour of choice of OS. I've played a few steam games in MINT it all works smoothly.. Just those tied to DX roots. i just can't ever seeing it happen though.

I have some paranoia about where Windows are heading.

I think they would really like to go down the "cloud computing rout" in a total sense, IE what you get in an OS is your content online and accessed through an online virtual Desktop via a Monthly subscription.

Thats not to say you can't still have a hard copy of your possessions, but computing through the MS OS is via a virtual Desktop that you subscribe to rather than install locally.

I want out of Microsoft entirely before that happens.

GoogalyMoogaly · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:56

Admiral Huddy said:
bit late in sorry..Very interesting article that.. I praise the day when i can ditch MS Windows in favour of choice of OS. I've played a few steam games in MINT it all works smoothly.. Just those tied to DX roots. i just can't ever seeing it happen though.

I think the problem is that there is such a back catalogue on Windows that doesn't exist on Linux that people are reluctant to change. So the audience for the games is on Windows, so that's the OS it makes sense to target. Linux has to be a side effort for very little reward, at least initially.

I mean if every game released was released on Windows and Linux from now on, it'd probably still take years before people were completely ready to give up Windows and lose all the non-Linux games they have. I've still got friends that go back and play Skyrim (with mods) or Dragon Age or something like that, no reason to think that won't be the case going forward too.
Also, myself and friends will quite often buy things like Final Fantasy 7 when they get released on Steam despite their age. While people do this it'll be difficult to abandon Windows.
Dual booting might make sense if the Linux versions performed better than the Windows versions.

Unless DX moves to Linux the only API currently that would allow games to run on Linux is OpenGL. Mantle can claim to be open and support multi-vendor as much as it likes, but until it's working with at least Nvidia and hopefully Intel hardware Mantle is only viable as an additional API not THE API. So from that, I'm really not sure what good bringing Mantle to Linux is going to do as far as making Linux a more viable OS for developers to target.

Unless this video that Matt's teasing contains something surprising.

pgi947 · 18 Jun 2014 at 16:57

humbug said:
I have some paranoia about where Windows are heading.

I think they would really like to go down the "cloud computing rout" in a total sense, IE what you get in an OS is your content online and accessed through an online virtual Desktop via a Monthly subscription.

Thats not to say you can't still have a hard copy of your possessions, but computing through the MS OS is via a virtual Desktop that you subscribe to rather than install locally.

I want out of Microsoft entirely before that happens.

A subscription based os would kill them, people would look for an opt out, the easiest route being piracy.

They were heading in the right direction with os pricing etc... Too, the £25 upgrade fee for windows 8 was a great move, kind of like how apple distribute their new operating systems, it encourages people to open their wallets without thinking about the less legitimate option as the price is fair. Monthly fees would just cripple that entire argument