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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?

I hope AMD doesn't take their pedal off the gas, though IMO it does appear that they have. Zen3 went on sale almost exactly a year ago, and it looks like they'll only have a Zen3 refresh (+64MB cache) at some point next year, so perhaps upto 18 months later?

Intel did mediocre refreshes year after year (example, Skylake to Kabylake, coffeelake, all same architecture just more cores/cache etc) and look where it got them - it allowed AMD to catch up to Single thread performance and surpass multi-thread. Though Intel's pace this last year has clearly improved, AMD appear to have awoken the sleeping giant, and gone to sleep themselves...
 
There's tons of evidence that AMD are pushing hard towards Zen 4 & 5, and there are going to be big step improvements in performance as a result.

Two interviews that Ian Cutress did have tons of information about the long roadmap and plans AMD are following with great success:
Re. price drops - That's a function of fabbing capacity that is falling short of demand for the next 2 years or so. Price drops are pretty unlikely until both supply improves AND competition from Intel.
 
AMD will be fine, 3D cache will give solid improvements and Zen 4 will be strong.

5000 was announced back in October 2020 now, so it will be interesting to see how competitive/better Intel will be, given how much of a newer product it is with a totally new platform. If it’s barely faster in some situations that just shows the strength of the 5000 series after ‘all’ this time…
 
Fairly sure they aren't "letting" Intel get ahead, just a case of release timing, fab capacity and other issues.

3D cache zen has been pushed back slightly otherwise that would have been released to compete.

Zen4/Am5 should be poised to take advantage of faster DDR5 that will be available by then
 
subbytna said:
Alderlake looks great (according to link below) what does AMD have that will fight back? AM4 stacked CPU's might only just match it in performance, not on Price. Will AMD drop prices of the 5*** series CPU's?

Alder Lake-S leaks
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Intel's leaks have manipulated results using sabotaged scheduler Intel cooked up with Microsoft, Chernobyl hot power limit for Alder Lake and 3200Mhz memory for Ryzen.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...ore-i9-12900K-and-Ryzen-9-5950X.576726.0.html
 
subbytna said:
Alderlake looks great (according to link below) what does AMD have that will fight back? AM4 stacked CPU's might only just match it in performance, not on Price. Will AMD drop prices of the 5*** series CPU's?

Alder Lake-S leaks
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First off, let's wait for some real benchmarks. Not what Intel leaked on a few key applications on Win 11 only against a 30 percent gimped-on-Ryzen scheduler (that Intel helped write), at absurd amounts of power draw. Let's wait and see what Alder Lake can actually do, not what Intel say it can do, because their marketing and redefining of benchmarks/metrics/everything smacks of trying to hide a performance deficit. Don't be taken in by the noise Intel's marketing department makes before a launch.

If they are lucky, Intel will get to parity just in time for AMD to launch their 3D cache Ryzen with 15-20 percent more performance and still more cores. Then AMD will be getting ready to launch the next generation of Ryzen and AM5. This will again push Intel back as they cannot simply keep the same number of monolithic cores, but run them faster by pumping ever increasing power through them, whilst claiming energy efficiency from little cores tacked on the side.
 
Steampunk said:
First off, let's wait for some real benchmarks. Not what Intel leaked on a few key applications on Win 11 only against a 30 percent gimped-on-Ryzen scheduler (that Intel helped write), at absurd amounts of power draw. Let's wait and see what Alder Lake can actually do, not what Intel say it can do, because their marketing and redefining of benchmarks/metrics/everything smacks of trying to hide a performance deficit. Don't be taken in by the noise Intel's marketing department makes before a launch.

If they are lucky, Intel will get to parity just in time for AMD to launch their 3D cache Ryzen with 15-20 percent more performance and still more cores. Then AMD will be getting ready to launch the next generation of Ryzen and AM5. This will again push Intel back as they cannot simply keep the same number of monolithic cores, but run them faster by pumping ever increasing power through them, whilst claiming energy efficiency from little cores tacked on the side.
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The link was a magazine review of the CPU, that landed early in an OCUK staff members doorstep. Should have been delivered tomorrow but it was a day early. Unless the magazine is controlled by Intel....
 
subbytna said:
The link was a magazine review of the CPU, that landed early in an OCUK staff members doorstep. Should have been delivered tomorrow but it was a day early. Unless the magazine is controlled by Intel....
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Do you think the magazine had early access to CPUs/motherboards and ran a full suite of tests a couple of months back in order to hit their print deadlines, or did they just write a puff-piece under the direction of Intel marketing documents? How did they do comparisons tests using a beta version of Windows 11 with a known faulty scheduler when used with a competing Ryzen processor, and a Intel CPU a couple of months from release? That magazine was at the printers before they even fixed the scheduler issue, maybe before Win 11 even hit its release date.

Even the online reviewers with much shorter lead times haven't been allowed to publish what testing they've been able to do, and the review embargo is until the retail release day, and I bet they've been running benchmarks right up until the last minute.

I'm sceptical until the benchmarks come from someone other than Intel and their marketing extensions. Lets have some results against a fixed Win 11 scheduler, or under Win 10, or applications and games that aren't cherry picked by Intel. Until we get independent testing, I don't trust vendor testing, and Intel having the reviews blocked until the release date is not an encouraging sign. If AL was that great and Intel had confidence, they'd want all the reviewers singing about it weeks in advance, not releasing numbers on the same day as sales.

Remember Intel has spent the last year tying to muddy waters and redefine standard testing and benchmark numbers, telling us that benchmarks are pointless, and it's all about how we "feel" about a CPU.
 
OK, let's be honest here. How long does it take to write, produce and distribute a printed magazine? I find it incredibly unlikely that the Alder Lake review is extensive and accurate, the principle question mark being the massive performance drop Ryzen experienced on Windows 11. There is no way any testing for publishing in a print medium was carried out with the Windows 11 bug fixes in place. That's not to say the Alder Lake results aren't as impressive as they claim, but the performance gains over Ryzen will simply not be anywhere near as big as it appears.

I get that you don't want to miss the launch of Intel's big release in your magazine, but anybody with a modicum of journalistic and technical integrity will postpone their review until the playing field is level. Unless they've just produced a fluff piece with no comparative benchmarks in it so Alder Lake's numbers will look great in isolation.

But unfortunately, once again the day 1 reviews are all that matter, and nobody is going to bother reading or researching past what the magazine review will say.
 
Well first off lets remember that while Alderlake may well be a good CPU it is going up against something that is 12 months old and doesnt appear to be winning with the clean sweep some would like to believe. Zen 3D will be launched end of Jan / Feb and will either bring parity or regain the league (using much less power then ADL) then Q3 or Q4 AM5 will be released which has some proper advances and more huge IPC gains incoming while Raptor Lake may not (according to rumours) manage double digit IPC gains. SO Honesty i think AMD will be just fine
 
subbytna said:
The link was a magazine review of the CPU, that landed early in an OCUK staff members doorstep. Should have been delivered tomorrow but it was a day early. Unless the magazine is controlled by Intel....
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It wasn't even that, it was/is a quote from the magazine by Armageus, no numbers or anything.

We won't see the full picture until tomorrow, it's quite likely Alder Lake is good but doesn't look to be a huge step forwards and AMD have stuff in the pipeline. The '3D Cache' version of Zen3 is coming in Q1 2022 and comes with a claimed 10-25% IPC increase, which looks to be enough to compete nicely with Alder Lake, we'll see better tomorrow.
 
cliffy said:
SO Honesty i think AMD will be just fine
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Lisa Su has been playing the long game ever since she took charge. It doesn't matter how much power Intel pump through their out of date node processes, or how many little cores they tack onto the sides. AMD is doing its own thing with innovative jumps in technology and products that sell and can bolster the finances for more AMD R&D into new products. Who knows what the Xillix acquisition or RDNA 3/4 (as it ramps up alongside the CPU business) will bring?

It doesn't matter what Intel bring, it doesn't even matter if they regain some benchmarks here and there for a quarter or two, they are playing catchup with a resurgent AMD that is ahead on the technology to solve the problems incumbent in today's CPU space.

You've only got to look at what's going on in the lucrative server/machine learning space, what AMD offers (in the form of EPYC) against Intel's offering. AMD is crushing it, and Intel is far back and will take at least a few years to catch up, if they can catch up at all.
 
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