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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?

12900K seems to rock 241W at max turbo power .... does that mean it could be more all-core with big overclock?
these figures look a bit crazy, how would you cool it?
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Steampunk said:
Lisa Su has been playing the long game ever since she took charge. It doesn't matter how much power Intel pump through their out of date node processes, or how many little cores they tack onto the sides. AMD is doing its own thing with innovative jumps in technology and products that sell and can bolster the finances for more AMD R&D into new products. Who knows what the Xillix acquisition or RDNA 3/4 (as it ramps up alongside the CPU business) will bring?

It doesn't matter what Intel bring, it doesn't even matter if they regain some benchmarks here and there for a quarter or two, they are playing catchup with a resurgent AMD that is ahead on the technology to solve the problems incumbent in today's CPU space.

You've only got to look at what's going on in the lucrative server/machine learning space, what AMD offers (in the form of EPYC) against Intel's offering. AMD is crushing it, and Intel is far back and will take at least a few years to catch up, if they can catch up at all.
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Yeah, when you add up the pros and cons AMD is a long way out in front of Intel. Alderlake isn’t a solution Ryzen and nothing this side of Nova lake could be.
 
Last I heard, and dont quote me on this, ive not read the whole thread so not sure if this has been mentioned already, but AMD had a mass production of CPU's with 3D V-Cache based on a 6nm process but socket AM4, due for release end of 2021 / early 2022, shortly followed by socket AM5 towards the end of 2022.

OK you can quote me on this:
AMD Zen 3 3D-Vache Ryzen CPUs Enter Mass Production Next Month & Zen 3 B2 Stepping Available End of December, Alleges Rumor (wccftech.com)

AMD already officially confirmed that their Ryzen CPUs based on the Zen 3 architecture with 3D V-Cache are heading to the AM4 platform in Q1 2022. Based on the tweet, AMD is expected to begin mass production of these chips next month which means that we are probably going to hear more about them at CES 2022 and a launch by February 2022 which gives them a good 9-10 month time on shelves before Zen 4 enters the market.
 
Gerard said:
They are? Sounds more like a bodge job clustering old cores and new ones together.
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AL is not a way forward, it's a dead end that is wringing the most they can out of old tech (by pumping power in), and slapping some small cores on the side to try and be efficient. Then Intel market the hell out of it by telling us that benchmarks don't matter. It's not a scalable solution to the future (like AMD's chiplets with Infinity Fabric), or a refinement from advanced packaging (like AMD's V-Cache). It's a sticking plaster using what they've got in the hope they can tread water until they find something better.

AMD doesn't have to worry about the future because of AL. It just takes Intel a little bit further down a dead end. Intel has to innovate around the current technology problems (as AMD have done) before AMD have to worry about Intel's CPU products.
 
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Lol, that's just daft, AMD can already make 16 core desktop CPUs on Zen3, why step backwards on that progress?

The only benefit with small cores, is with mobile devices, where power and cooling are limited (so you hit a power limit on 8 cores and have to compromise and add smaller, lower power cores to increase multi-core performance).

Maybe they will be able to add an extra CCD, with Zen4, for 24 large cores (in my opinion, that would be overkill).
 
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Honestly I cant see my self moving back to intel even if they maintain a slight lead in performance due to their socket support, as long as AM5 is similar I am happy. I did move from x470 to X570 as the opportunity allowed me to do so (board to kids and some crypto profit) but I could do it in stages.

Will get a 5900X Vcache in there before long as well.
 
Based on the LTT review not a fat lot TBH. Sure chip vs chip they are a bit behind but ADL needs a whole new platform with immature DDR5 ram so for someone upgrading from an older CPU / Mobo that may have decent DDR4 the AMD platform is cheaper and performance is there. Also you then have a drop in Z3d upgrade to look at if you do want the gaming performance crown.

If AMD did want to entice people they could drop prices by $50 across the board and released Z3d at the current price points.
 
4K8KW10 said:
It's better to have "immature" (according to you :D ) DDR5 than no DDR5 as with AMD who will be a year late offering the desktop platform with DDR5!
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Nah.

12600K + Z690 Tomahawk + 32GB 5200C38 ram is £850 here at OCUK.
5600X + X570 Tomahawk (and really B550 or even B450 will do for purely gaming) + 32GB 3600C16 is £610.

For the price of a 12600K build you can get a 5900X + B550 + 32GB 3600 C16 ram.

12400 + B660 might be a bigger issue but by then Z3d will be out and AMD can drop the prices on standard Zen parts so still not really.
 
timorous said:
Based on the LTT review not a fat lot TBH. Sure chip vs chip they are a bit behind but ADL needs a whole new platform with immature DDR5 ram so for someone upgrading from an older CPU / Mobo that may have decent DDR4 the AMD platform is cheaper and performance is there. Also you then have a drop in Z3d upgrade to look at if you do want the gaming performance crown.

If AMD did want to entice people they could drop prices by $50 across the board and released Z3d at the current price points.
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5600x needs a lot more than a $50 discount
 
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