Everything was better for me when I originally moved from my overclocked 3930K to 1800X too. I was worried that I'd only see a small improvement but everything was noticeably smoother.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Everything was better for me when I originally moved from my overclocked 3930K to 1800X too. I was worried that I'd only see a small improvement but everything was noticeably smoother.
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It doesn't feel like a good time to buy Zen 3, particularly for me as I have a 3700x just now. As 4000 series is the last in this chipset cycle, it would take a decent performance leap to tempt me to buy what will be EOL a year later.
As for Intel, yes there are minimal gains to be had but they don't justify the price, noise or heat unless you're trying to eek out every FPS you can (personally, I'm not).
2020 feels like the right time to upgrade the GPU as the new consoles should lower discrete prices, and for me the jump from 1080ti will be significant. The LG 48" OLEDs could also be interesting.
2021 will be the time to look at the CPU space again IMO.
2021 brings its own challenges.
2021 new CPUs will be on DDR5, combine new RAM tech with high demand for memory from phones using 16gb consoles using 20gb all new products with high demand and then gamers want DDR5 next year for cpu and mobo upgrade = expensive, plus among all this high demand for memory is low supply, factories **** down to stop virus spreading
ssd prices also going up due to all the same issues, consoles selling millions of units with high speed storage, low supply from factory shutdown and high demand for pcie4 drivers = expensive
It's pretty hilarious but very soon consoles and phones will have more RAM than the average PC gamers PC lol
£270~ for 3700X performance seems like bargain to me. If the 4700X offers 20% more performance I’d expect it to hold a £350 price tag.
I’d also say 2021 would be the year to look at graphics cards as the consoles look likely to launch late 2020 and it will take some time for those to impact the highend graphics card market.
I think we should be setting expectations to 15% to avoid potential disappointment.
X570 was a blip, a boat load of PCIe 4 retimers aren't needed any more. Look at the TRX40 boards.
Lol.
You guys seem to be missing the point I am making here.
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Yes, agreed. I might end up buying an OLED screen this year and holding on to my 1080ti until next year. It depends how the screen looks at 1440 because I know a 1080ti won't push 4k the way I want it. I have the budget ready now, but I can't bring myself to spend £1k+ on a GPU.
Also, apologies for taking the conversation on a tangent.
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Yes, agreed. I might end up buying an OLED screen this year and holding on to my 1080ti until next year. It depends how the screen looks at 1440 because I know a 1080ti won't push 4k the way I want it. I have the budget ready now, but I can't bring myself to spend £1k+ on a GPU.
Also, apologies for taking the conversation on a tangent.
Don't buy anything right now. Absolutly not. Especially considering you have a 1080ti already. Wait for the next gen.
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The rumours are the CCX design is changing to 8 cores which would mean better latency,and I would be wary of believing all the Intel claims - its 2020,and we haven't even got 14NM 10 core CFL launched yet,and all the 10NM CPUs are quad cores for laptops.
Also,did you see this:
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/a...reduce-cost-of-the-ryzen-9-3950x-by-half.html
AMD going monolithic would have cost them over double than going with chiplets for a 16C CPU.
So even if Intel can kind of get something out,their costs are going to be higher,so AMD will still undercut them easily. Also will they be able to hit as high clockspeeds on 10NM and 7NM desktop parts when compared to a very mature 14NM node? By the time we get to Golden Cove,we might be on Zen 4 or 5,and AMD might have moved to 5NM.
I expect if the rumoured changes to the CCX design are true,older games and engines will see the biggest improvements,and probably newer games not so much. What drags down Zen gaming averages is older engines IIRC.
So it depends where we see this 15% - if its in engines when Zen struggles its more important than if its an engine Zen is already fine in.
Same here.
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I’m definitely giving Zen 3 a miss. My PC is mainly used for gaming. Just cannot see any tangible benefit in gaming that an extra 15-20% IPC over my current 3900X would give me.
tbh, I’ll probably give the first incarnation of the new platform (AM5?) a miss too. 3900X will still be fast enough and it lets them get teething problems out of the way.
tbh, I’ll probably give the first incarnation of the new platform (AM5?) a miss too. 3900X will still be fast enough and it lets them get teething problems out of the way.
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If it's 15-20% IPC, plus the 100-200Mhz clock bump, plus the supposed latency drops then it'll increase gaming performance on a scale we haven't seen in a long time in my opinion. These are all big ifs though.
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yet you bought a 3900X over a 3600X for gaming?
i bet going to a 4600X vs your 3900X will be a decent improvement for gaming.
from reviews while it helps ryzen doesn't gain as much as intel from higher clocks so the extra 100 or 200mhz that's rumoured won't do much, maybe 1 to 3% extra fps at 1080p. The ipc I'm not so sure would help me either as I game at 4K. The only thing I'm interested in is lower latency as they should boost performance across the board
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I bought a 3950x for gaming
You using dual 2080ti too?
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