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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Has any metion of PCIE Gen 5 been seen for AM5? Have seen the articles talking about DDR5 but wondered about the PCIE part.

Some of the cloud engineers we have at work were discussing today that none of them expected Gen4 to be manufactured and that industry was expected to jump straight from 3 to 5. I think the PCIE 5 spec has been formalized and Intel have said there next architecture will use it?
 
jigger said:
£270~ for 3700X performance seems like bargain to me. If the 4700X offers 20% more performance I’d expect it to hold a £350 price tag.
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There you go again with your weird fetish of wanting AMD to charge more.

When nV or Intel puts up prices it's "down with the evil empire" and stuff. When AMD does it, we should all rejoice and be happy that AMD are back in business!

Lols. Yeah great, lets price everyone out of owning any CPU but the very bottom tier. Then we can have 5 or 6 tiers of uber expensive CPUs for 2% of the population to post benchmarks!
 
Grim5 said:
its a lot faster actually
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At 8 cores and above yes.

But I just looked at benchmarks and 3% different below 8 cores.

If you think that justifies spending 4 times what you can on a 3600x for 3% more performance then you might want to retake maths.

I'm willing to even make a prediction that it will be even further a waste of money and put to shame by the 4600x in gaming.
 
jigger said:
Oh yeah.
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Meh, you can finally go on ignore. Your posts are all completely worthless nonsense, and heavily AMD biased to boot. You don't even try to hide it, and in fairness you never have. Since you have absolutely nothing of value to post I won't waste my own time reading your dribble.
 
BongoHunter said:
Has any metion of PCIE Gen 5 been seen for AM5? Have seen the articles talking about DDR5 but wondered about the PCIE part.

Some of the cloud engineers we have at work were discussing today that none of them expected Gen4 to be manufactured and that industry was expected to jump straight from 3 to 5. I think the PCIE 5 spec has been formalized and Intel have said there next architecture will use it?
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Nothing much will be disclosed about Zen 4 and onward, and associated platforms, until Zen 3 has been out for a little while.

But I think both DDR5 and PCIE 5 are expected.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
At 8 cores and above yes.

But I just looked at benchmarks and 3% different below 8 cores.

If you think that justifies spending 4 times what you can on a 3600x for 3% more performance then you might want to retake maths.

I'm willing to even make a prediction that it will be even further a waste of money and put to shame by the 4600x in gaming.
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doubt it, 6 cores is not enough with next gen 8 cores minimum. I play at resolutions that are GPU limited not cpu and I use my cpu for other things where the 3950x is several times faster than your 3600
 
FoxEye said:
There you go again with your weird fetish of wanting AMD to charge more.

When nV or Intel puts up prices it's "down with the evil empire" and stuff. When AMD does it, we should all rejoice and be happy that AMD are back in business!

Lols. Yeah great, lets price everyone out of owning any CPU but the very bottom tier. Then we can have 5 or 6 tiers of uber expensive CPUs for 2% of the population to post benchmarks!
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Was the £350 not the release price for the 3700x so to suggest that AMD release the 4700x at the same release price is not increasing cost.

You should be ignoring it's sale price now after being out for what would be a year. Intel and Nvidia been putting their same tier stuff up in price is different compared to AMD in the CPU sector releasing at the same RRP as previous gen. (They don't seem to do same for their GPU tbh which is much more like Nvidia in price scaling).

They have already moved segments down in the last three years to make greater multicore chips available at a better price bracket.

So in three years you are looking at about a 40% increase (compared to first gen Ryzen) at the same price bracket and then are trying to claim they are charging more? Yeah okay then.
 
the new chips will just replace whats current now at simular launch prices. so 4700x will be 3700x launch prices. stuff like 3700x will be probably down to £200 by then new.
 
Grim5 said:
doubt it, 6 cores is not enough with next gen 8 cores minimum. I play at resolutions that are GPU limited not cpu and I use my cpu for other things where the 3950x is several times faster than your 3600
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so not any better for gaming then? for other things where you need 8 cores then yes.

by next gen if you mean next year. then yeah yours may well be faster than a 3600X but as I said I'm willing to bet the 4600X is faster than yours. so pointless.
 
It will be interesting to see how multi threaded the next wave of games in 2020 will be in titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2.
 
NinjaCool said:
It will be interesting to see how multi threaded the next wave of games in 2020 will be in titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2.
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Will probably take a while before they are fully capable of using 8 cores of more, but I hope they do take advantage of that in Cyberpunk especially. Consoles using zen2 with 8 cores is really a blessing as game devs will have to utilise all the cores
 
They've had access to 8* cores on console for a while now. But I'm wondering if the new APU will make things easier to multithread.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
By the time 8 cores becomes the norm I imagine we will be on a new socket.
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There's no real reason for devs to rush to 8 cores, 16 threads and leave a large install base behind. That's bad business.

However, once the new console gen matures along (2-3 years post launch) along with new development toolset, those users have the option to buy a console instead of upgrading their pc to get the next gen experience after the first round of price cuts. That's generally when you see a shift in the market in terms of minimum/recommended specs.

Game optimization to run well across a large array of systems is more important than pleasing the high end market.
 
Robert896r1 said:
There's no real reason for devs to rush to 8 cores, 16 threads and leave a large install base behind. That's bad business.

However, once the new console gen matures along (2-3 years post launch) along with new development toolset, those users have the option to buy a console instead of upgrading their pc to get the next gen experience after the first round of price cuts. That's generally when you see a shift in the market in terms of minimum/recommended specs.

Game optimization to run well across a large array of systems is more important than pleasing the high end market.
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yeah it's why I opted for a 3600X and will upgrade to a 4600X on launch.
 
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