3800x vs 3900x is not the same thing because of its layout.. but yeah it will be really interesting to see if the 5800x can edge out the 5900x. Im interesting to compare lowfps in BFV 64 multiplayer here with someone that gonna by the 5800x. I will report from 5900x.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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If that is the case and Zen 3 supply which is on the same 7nm node is worse than Zen 2 - it means TSMC is running absolutely flat out to get consoles out the door and this means probably means Big Navi GPU supply is going be god awful too
It's probably why AMD also hasn't released the 4000G to non OEM and Zen 2 prices have gone up since the summer.
Zen 2 prices going up could be simply down to high demand of an EOL product due to the c-19 and inventory of lower end SKUs which is meant to last into next year is running out.
Normally people stop buying EOL products naturally but this year has seen Xmas level of demand for certain products like computers since March. That makes things difficult when you are meant to be running down supplies of a product with falling demand. Instead your trying not to run out of a product you no longer want to produce while also trying to build up stocks of your new one. Then throw in new consoles launching too, it’s a perfect storm.
It’s no different to what nvidia 20xx was seeing before the 30xx launch, there’s hardly any 20xxx stock around now even though there is next to no stock of the new product, RTX was selling as well as it ever has right before the new one dropped which is very abnormal in a tech products lifecycle, normally there are deals to be had on the last gen stuff. I expect stock levels of Ryzen 3xxx is very low with zero prospect of it being replenished, hence the price.
Normally people stop buying EOL products naturally but this year has seen Xmas level of demand for certain products like computers since March. That makes things difficult when you are meant to be running down supplies of a product with falling demand. Instead your trying not to run out of a product you no longer want to produce while also trying to build up stocks of your new one. Then throw in new consoles launching too, it’s a perfect storm.
It’s no different to what nvidia 20xx was seeing before the 30xx launch, there’s hardly any 20xxx stock around now even though there is next to no stock of the new product, RTX was selling as well as it ever has right before the new one dropped which is very abnormal in a tech products lifecycle, normally there are deals to be had on the last gen stuff. I expect stock levels of Ryzen 3xxx is very low with zero prospect of it being replenished, hence the price.
He stated he has exact AIB and distributor numbers for RDNA 2: https://youtu.be/t08mAlk8JyM?t=424
It's a "standard launch" such as RX 480 in his words. The problem is Nvidia has only shipped 25% of the product it has usually shipped at this time and he thinks most users will just get RDNA 2 now which will make availability harder than it should be. If Nvidia didn't mess up it would have been really easy.
Nvidia shipped 25% of a stanrdard launch? Don't buy it.
take a look at the 3d mark database records and filter by unique GPU ID code and date range - there are more RTX3080 recorded in the database after the first 4 weeks of sales than the first 4 weeks of GTX1080+GTX1080ti+RTX2080+RTX2080ti COMBINED
Is that the 3dmark version that was released AFTER 1080ti launch? I get that nobody bought 2080ti
Should have clarified, referring to 3D Mark Timespy database records. Timespy was added to 3D Mark in July 2016, couple weeks after the GTX1080 launched
AMD are now making Zen 2+3 desktop CPU, GPUs and console APU all on 7nm so I wouldn't be supprised if supply is tight and it may also explain why they are only releasing 4 Zen 3 SKUs and nothing under $300 which was the highest volume segment in the market the last time around.
I suggest to stop worrying about relatively inconsequential performance differences like that and instead focus on what matters, because the effect of that CCX difference will be marginal in the real-world. On Zen2 is was hardly an issue and Zen3 has been further improved.
The 5800x is the worst value, only the 5600x and 5900x are decent value... especially the 5900x with how closely it is priced to the 5900x.
Are you now adding "TSMC capacity and output expert" to your distinguished resume of PC enthusiast expertise?
My neck of the woods still has stock of most 3x00 CPU's, for example the 3900x is £370. I'm very happy I obught my 3300x as a "temp filler" though, it's been an absolute champ for £105 the last 6 months!
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What's first and second?I'd like to see Userbenchmark try and shill this
First Zen 3 CPU appears, the weakest Zen 3 model and it takes 4th place
10900k and other 10900k variants
Apart from the overall ranking, there is two scores of particular interest. The multi core score for the 5600x is higher than the 10700k, so the 5600x is faster are multi thread loads even with 25% less cores than Intel. Secondly the memory score is 12% higher than any Zen 2 cpu and it's the highest memory score from any AMD cpu they keep a record of
edit: the memory used is a corsair 3600 CL18 kit https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/34861542
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I wouldn't say the 5600X is good value as in terms of all the SKUs it's had the highest % price rise and is not that far from what Intel priced their 8700K 6 core flagship over 3 years ago.
The 5600X will need to be 26% faster than the 10600K to win on price performance.
With these benchmarks coming out you can see why AMD felt fit to raise the price. The 5600x might only be 6 core, but its faster than Intel's 8 cores - the 10600k has no hope at all, it won't come close when the 10700k is already losing to the 5600x
The 5600x isn't "good" value, but it's at least a reasonable entry point and will be a solid performer.
Can I ask what is good value?
It's only faster in single core performance and gaming will be under 5% in most titles, I would still expect the 10700K to win out by quite a margin in multithreaded.
A 3600? Around half the price of a 5600x and nowhere near half as slow.
Clearly it's a somewhat subjective thing so I base it on my own experience and knowledge of what is on the market and the resulting comparisons that I make.
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