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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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FoxEye said:
I'll believe that when I see it. AMD aren't producing anywhere near the needed supply right now. Jan is just around the corner.
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If the stock table presented by "the other place" is correct, they have already completely fulfilled their backorders of 5600x, 5800x and 5950x, and will clear all 5900x backorders in the first week of January.
 
If the price goes up much further then tbh there's no reason to by them vs the intel offering.

I mean yea sure, they are technically better, but not leaps and bounds ahead that people will be blind to the price/performance difference.
 
FoxEye said:
I'll believe that when I see it. AMD aren't producing anywhere near the needed supply right now. Jan is just around the corner.
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Stu said:
If the stock table presented by "the other place" is correct, they have already completely fulfilled their backorders of 5600x, 5800x and 5950x, and will clear all 5900x backorders in the first week of January.
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Supply for the 5800x at least is now somewhat meeting demand. It is often in stock at MSRP for hours at a time. However the best (and most satisfying) indicator that stock is catching up with demand, is seeing the scalper’s 5800x auctions ending at below MSRP. :cool:
 
Stu said:
When is Rocket Lake due? Supply > demand for AMD in January, so Intel's window of opportunity is about to close.
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Several leaks out today

z590 motherboards will launch at CES 2021 in January.
11th gen CPU's will launch in mid to late March (
Also confirmed in model codes, half of 11th gen models are Rocket lake, the other half are Comet lake rebrands)
 
So only some 11th gen will have pcie4, thunderbolt 4 and other newer stuff (usb something I think) it's suppose to have? Seems odd, why rebrand and not just keep some 10th gen as the budget option, so it's simply Rocket lake = X features, Comet lake = Y features, instead of some rocket lake = X and some Rocket lake = Y.
 
Distracted said:
Supply for the 5800x at least is now somewhat meeting demand. It is often in stock at MSRP for hours at a time. However the best (and most satisfying) indicator that stock is catching up with demand, is seeing the scalper’s 5800x auctions ending at below MSRP. :cool:
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There is no "supply and demand" here, people misuses that terms without a degree in economics, often :) the supply has constraints, also 5800x are the worse value and run incredibly hot except on custom loop in which case probably you go for a 5900x o 5950x anyway, also it seems some Gigabyte MB with 5800x crash PCs, just googled it as I was curious why no one is purchasing them, plenty of threads out there.

Armadillo said:
So only some 11th gen will have pcie4, thunderbolt 4 and other newer stuff (usb something I think) it's suppose to have? Seems odd, why rebrand and not just keep some 10th gen as the budget option, so it's simply Rocket lake = X features, Comet lake = Y features, instead of some rocket lake = X and some Rocket lake = Y.
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Yes, Intel not supporting PCI4 on 10xx was a big mistake, I am looking at AMD only for that as CPU is the thing we probably change the least, even more so for people mostly gaming...it seems a very interesting CPU however it will probably draw more power than a search light on a ship but indeed considering how bad AMD is with several things and motherboards offering it may appeal quite a few people, also Intel manufacture their own chip whilst AMD is sitting even behind Apple with TSMC queue due of investments.

Just guys avoid pay overpriced price, already these CPU are overpriced...I am not looking to purchase here anymore, I mean OC UK is selling £40 more than the couple of scalpers I checked on ebay as comparison for the 5950x, it says it all :D
 
Trustdesa said:
misuses that terms without a degree in economics, often :) the supply has constraints, also 5800x are the worse value and run incredibly hot except on custom loop in which case probably you go for a 5900x o 5950x anyway, also it seems some Gigabyte MB with 5800x crash PCs, just googled it as I was curious why no one is purchasing them, plenty of threads out there.
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The 5800X is fine you just got to know how to tune it, this is R20 temps peaking @71.6c for my 5800X cooled with a wraith prism.

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Trustdesa said:
There is no "supply and demand" here, people misuses that terms without a degree in economics, often :) the supply has constraints, also 5800x are the worse value and run incredibly hot except on custom loop in which case probably you go for a 5900x o 5950x anyway, also it seems some Gigabyte MB with 5800x crash PCs, just googled it as I was curious why no one is purchasing them, plenty of threads out there.
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Wow.
 
Trustdesa said:
There is no "supply and demand" here, people misuses that terms without a degree in economics, often :) the supply has constraints, also 5800x are the worse value and run incredibly hot except on custom loop in which case probably you go for a 5900x o 5950x anyway, also it seems some Gigabyte MB with 5800x crash PCs, just googled it as I was curious why no one is purchasing them, plenty of threads out there.

Yes, Intel not supporting PCI4 on 10xx was a big mistake, I am looking at AMD only for that as CPU is the thing we probably change the least, even more so for people mostly gaming...it seems a very interesting CPU however it will probably draw more power than a search light on a ship but indeed considering how bad AMD is with several things and motherboards offering it may appeal quite a few people, also Intel manufacture their own chip whilst AMD is sitting even behind Apple with TSMC queue due of investments.
Just guys avoid pay overpriced price, already these CPU are overpriced...I am not looking to purchase here anymore, I mean OC UK is selling £40 more than the couple of scalpers I checked on ebay as comparison for the 5950x, it says it all :D
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You are generally right, although mentioning the degree part was unnecessary as an understanding supply and demand certainly doesn't need a degree in economics.

The 5800x is the least sold CPU for the reasons you mentioned... it's just bad value compared to the 5600x and 5900x and is priced in some kind of no-mans land.

And yeah... OCUK prices are actually quite scandalous for some CPU and GPU items and it is during unusual times like this where you really see the underlying ethics of a business when it comes to making a profit.
 
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Ryzen 7 5800X is sold for slightly more than Ryzen 9 3900X, while offering lower performance in certain applications, for example 28,760 PassMarks vs the 12-core's 32,863 PassMarks PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 3900X - Price performance comparison [URL='https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800X&id=3869']PassMark - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)(cpubenchmark.net)[/URL]

Ryzen 9 5900X is not so great value (but a great temptation because very fast 12 cores and future proofing), either, reaching 35-40% higher PassMark score of ~40,000 for 20-25% more money than Ryzen 7 5800X.
PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)

These definitely need some 20-30% price reductions while the old Ryzen 3000 series are EOLed and replaced in the product lineup.
 
Wow, seems there will be a 5900 and 5800 non-x... https://wccftech.com/amd-readies-ryzen-9-5900-12-core-ryzen-7-5800-8-core-zen-3-desktop-cpus/

The AMD Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPU is already packed in the $300 US+ category but OEMs will soon be receiving two brand new parts, the Ryzen 9 5900 and the Ryzen 7 5800. The CPUs will offer the same core configurations as their 'X' series brethren but the main difference comes in the clocks & TDP figures.

As revealed by Patrick Schur and Momomo_US, both chips will come with a 65W TDP which is much lower than the standard 105W TDP you get with the 'X' series variants. The clocks will definitely be a tad bit lower for the 65W TDP parts but you will expect performance within 90-95% of the 'X' series SKUs. Unlike Intel, AMD tends to retain overclocking support for their Ryzen CPUs across the board and we can expect the same from the upcoming chips.
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For OEM, not retail though.
 
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Grim5 said:
65w, it's about the same as running the X chips in Eco mode

In other news, leaked AMD roadmap shows that AMD is working on a 6nm Zen3+ With DDR5 support

https://wccftech.com/amd-apu-roadma...-flagship-apu-with-navi-igpu-landing-in-2022/
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I get the feeling AMD will not release any new retail Zen3 products until it sees what Intel is going to do. So no 5700X and no 5600 non-X in the near future.

So the cheapest retail Zen 3 will remain the £300 5600X until Q2 or so. And the cheapest 8-core the £450 5800X.

They continue to believe that people will just dig deeper into their wallets and be upsold to more expensive products than they really want.

AMD have already lost all the goodwill I had for them as a company. I will seriously be considering going Intel when in March when I see what they've got.

AMD have become extremely greedy.
 
FoxEye said:
I get the feeling AMD will not release any new retail Zen3 products until it sees what Intel is going to do. So no 5700X and no 5600 non-X in the near future.

So the cheapest retail Zen 3 will remain the £300 5600X until Q2 or so. And the cheapest 8-core the £450 5800X.

They continue to believe that people will just dig deeper into their wallets and be upsold to more expensive products than they really want.

AMD have already lost all the goodwill I had for them as a company. I will seriously be considering going Intel when in March when I see what they've got.

AMD have become extremely greedy.
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I don't think this is right.
AMD holds all the major competitive advantages:
lower power consumption;
offering 16 and 12 core SKUs which Intel will never give you;
lower prices compared to Intel;
richer feature set - PCIe 4, Smart Access Memory, product bundling with Radeon RX and optimal platform performance;
N7 process which allows more and better transistors, with moving to N6 and N5 sooner than Intel can move from its ancient and used for half a decade 14nm.

Have you noticed how beefier the power circuitries on the Intel Z490 boards are to just hold that ultimate extreme and awful 200-250 power consumption on Core i9?
 
4K8KW10 said:
I don't think this is right.
AMD holds all the major competitive advantages:
lower power consumption;
offering 16 and 12 core SKUs which Intel will never give you;
lower prices compared to Intel;
richer feature set - PCIe 4, Smart Access Memory, product bundling with Radeon RX and optimal platform performance;
N7 process which allows more and better transistors, with moving to N6 and N5 sooner than Intel can move from its ancient and used for half a decade 14nm.

Have you noticed how beefier the power circuitries on the Intel Z490 boards are to just hold that ultimate extreme and awful 200-250 power consumption on Core i9?
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I only care about price. £450 for the cheapest 8-core and £300 for the cheapest 6-core.

That's not cheaper than Intel as you make out. As you will know, Intel are now being called the "perf/$ choice".

Rocket Lake will likely see nice perf improvements and still be cheaper than AMD.
 
FoxEye said:
I only care about price. £450 for the cheapest 8-core and £300 for the cheapest 6-core.

That's not cheaper than Intel as you make out. As you will know, Intel are now being called the "perf/$ choice".

Rocket Lake will likely see nice perf improvements and still be cheaper than AMD.
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There are no cheapest 6-core and 8-core - there are only one 6-core and one 8-core SKU that is up to 50% faster than Intel Core i7-10700K in select benchmarks, and only 40% pricier.
 
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