AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

b0rn2sk8 · 3 Dec 2020 at 16:40

I don’t take my figures off steam, though it gives a picture of what the install base is like for gamers specifically. PCs don’t just disappear at the end of a quarter at the end of the day. However it isn’t really representative of the general market either, far from it and that’s all that matters at the end of the day. They don’t make CPUs for gamers or enthusiasts no matter what the marketing tells you.

I appreciate you didn’t say Intel were dyeing but that seems to be the fanboy consensus in this thread and is the post which started this discussion.

Personally I just buy what ever is faster in the form factor and at price point I’m looking to buy at and I don’t really know why you would approach it any other way or become personally invested in any particular company, that kind of thinking is beyond me as they are only interested in your money.

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 16:49

humbug said:

why is their 5600X way cheaper than UK ones? 300 EURO is around £270. chips here are consistently over £300

humbug · 3 Dec 2020 at 17:04

b0rn2sk8 said:
I don’t take my figures off steam, though it gives a picture of what the install base is like for gamers specifically. PCs don’t just disappear at the end of a quarter at the end of the day. However it isn’t really representative of the general market either, far from it and that’s all that matters at the end of the day. They don’t make CPUs for gamers or enthusiasts no matter what the marketing tells you.

I appreciate you didn’t say Intel were dyeing but that seems to be the fanboy consensus in this thread and is the post which started this discussion.

Personally I just buy what ever is faster in the form factor and at price point I’m looking to buy at and I don’t really know why you would approach it any other way or become personally invested in any particular company, that kind of thinking is beyond me as they are only interested in your money.

Personally I just buy what ever is faster in the form factor and at price point I’m looking to buy at and I don’t really know why you would approach it any other way or become personally invested in any particular company, that kind of thinking is beyond me as they are only interested in your money.

Yes i'm the same.

pc-guy said:
why is their 5600X way cheaper than UK ones? 300 EURO is around £270. chips here are consistently over £300

Different tax rates?

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 17:22

Germany has the same VAT as us as far as I know.

pete910 · 3 Dec 2020 at 17:23

pc-guy said:
why is their 5600X way cheaper than UK ones? 300 EURO is around £270. chips here are consistently over £300

Greed pure and simple.

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 17:49

pete910 said:
Greed pure and simple.

ya thats what i suspect. 300 euro is a nice number translate to 300 pounds then charge some HYPER CRAZE surcharge you get to the £319, £329, £350 prices you see here. then to add to salt to the wound, £15 delivery charge LOL

FoxEye · 3 Dec 2020 at 18:06

humbug said:
AMD sold over 6000 Zen 3 chips at mindfactory.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-s...-intel-at-mf-germany-approx-5000-zen-3-chips/

Is that good?

That sounds to me like a tiny tiny number vs expected demand.

I imagine they'd need to sell 1000x that just to satisfy demand in Germany alone. There's over 80 million people in Germany so I would imagine the demand would be a few million units at least.

So AMD needs to *seriously* ramp up production to satisfy demand.

Grim5 · 3 Dec 2020 at 18:10

pc-guy said:
why does their MC score scale so differently.

@Richdog where you based btw?

zen's SMT threads seems to just be faster/more efficient than Intel's HT threads all else people equal one AMD SMT is faster than one Intel HT so as such when you're comparing and AMD and I tel cpu with both having the same core count the AMD is expected to have better multithreaded performance

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 18:21

Grim5 said:
zen's SMT threads seems to just be faster/more efficient than Intel's HT threads all else people equal one AMD SMT is faster than one Intel HT so as such when you're comparing and AMD and I tel cpu with both having the same core count the AMD is expected to have better multithreaded performance

fair dues. didnt know that subtle differences.

Stu999 · 3 Dec 2020 at 19:04

FoxEye said:
Is that good?

That sounds to me like a tiny tiny number vs expected demand.

I imagine they'd need to sell 1000x that just to satisfy demand in Germany alone. There's over 80 million people in Germany so I would imagine the demand would be a few million units at least.

So AMD needs to *seriously* ramp up production to satisfy demand.

Do you think the demand is that high? A lot of the consumer market these days seem to go for laptops / tablets over desktops.

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 20:29

Stu999 said:
Do you think the demand is that high? A lot of the consumer market these days seem to go for laptops / tablets over desktops.

People with desktop will have a laptop also. The reverse isn’t necessarily true.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Dec 2020 at 21:05

Germany has temporarily reduced their VAT IIRC.

Curlyriff · 3 Dec 2020 at 22:01

pc-guy said:
People with desktop will have a laptop also. The reverse isn’t necessarily true.

Why, neither myself, my housemates or parents have laptops but all have desktops :/

RBImGuy · 3 Dec 2020 at 22:44

FoxEye said:
Is that good?

That sounds to me like a tiny tiny number vs expected demand.

I imagine they'd need to sell 1000x that just to satisfy demand in Germany alone. There's over 80 million people in Germany so I would imagine the demand would be a few million units at least.

So AMD needs to *seriously* ramp up production to satisfy demand.

cant as console chips has 80% of wafers atm, lol.

Stu999 said:
Do you think the demand is that high? A lot of the consumer market these days seem to go for laptops / tablets over desktops.

Corona virus made people buy hardware as they have to spend time at home a lot.

Anyhow, my 5600x arrives tomorrow.
Be good to run a few tests to note some difference.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Dec 2020 at 18:50

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queamin · 4 Dec 2020 at 19:40

FoxEye said:
Only useful if the motherboard is the one you want

e: Nah the bundles are crap. Most come with a cheap-ass B450M motherboard that's almost guaranteed not to be the mobo you actually want.

And the prices are more than you'd be able to source the stuff you actually do want individually.

The bundles are hopeless.

Yeah I was looking at bundles and they were not a good MB and what you saved were rebates on steam and/or you had to through the web site to get refund/rebait at time, too much hassle for 30 quid orso.

RBImGuy · 5 Dec 2020 at 00:24

Played games for 3 hours, 5600x engaged pbo and curve optimizer, 4850mhz boost.
No issues, never passed 70c noctua u12s one fan.
Games I play got fps increase from previous 3600.
500mhz and ipc lift made difference even at 1440p.
Great present before Christmas.

Grim5 · 5 Dec 2020 at 15:12

Zen 3 mobile cpu the 8 core 5900HX spotted in Geekbench, single core score is 24% faster than the fastest 10nm intel ice lake laptop

humbug · 5 Dec 2020 at 16:03

Grim5 said:
Zen 3 mobile cpu the 8 core 5900HX spotted in Geekbench, single core score is 24% faster than the fastest 10nm intel ice lake laptop

Yea but its not Ice Lake Zen 3 is up against, its Rocket Lake which is Intel's brand-new higher IPC architecture, in that Rocket Lake scores 1645 ST at 5Ghz with the 5800X scoring 1675 at 4.85Ghz, that's an IPC difference of about 5% to Zen 3.

11900K https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5125074
5800X https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5168610

Grim5 · 5 Dec 2020 at 17:45

humbug said:
Yea but its not Ice Lake Zen 3 is up against, its Rocket Lake which is Intel's brand-new higher IPC architecture, in that Rocket Lake scores 1645 ST at 5Ghz with the 5800X scoring 1675 at 4.85Ghz, that's an IPC difference of about 5% to Zen 3.

11900K https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5125074
5800X https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5168610

where are the Rocket lake laptops? The 4900HX is a laptop cpu no point comparing against a desktop cpu no?