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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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humbug said:
The difference is it will work, their argument is a lot of 300/400 series boards will not work with Zen 3.
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It won't unless they can update the bios as B550 X570 are not out of the box compatable so they would either need a loan CPU off AMD or buy a zen 2 CPU to update. No less confusion for a non tech savvy joe public. The only difference is it would work in the end but not before going through considerable hassle.

I'm also guessing there will still be people who buy a B450 with a zen 3 chip as they will see AM4 and just assume it will work.
 
Joxeon said:
And MSI have only just released the B450 pro carbon max... AMD well and truly threw them under the bus.
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Maybe it's just to stop the support issues with people buying a B450 and a Ryzen 4000 CPU without having a way to do the BIOS flash. So they're telling people to buy B550 and X570 in press and marketing for Ryzen 4000 but they might still release B450 BIOS's quietly for existing customers?
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Maybe it's just to stop the support issues with people buying a B450 and a Ryzen 4000 CPU without having a way to do the BIOS flash. So they're telling people to buy B550 and X570 in press and marketing for Ryzen 4000 but they might still release B450 BIOS's quietly for existing customers?
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That same logic would have applied to 3XXX chip's
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Maybe it's just to stop the support issues with people buying a B450 and a Ryzen 4000 CPU without having a way to do the BIOS flash. So they're telling people to buy B550 and X570 in press and marketing for Ryzen 4000 but they might still release B450 BIOS's quietly for existing customers?
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It will also be the same with x570 as they will need a bios update to run zen 3 and if you happen to get an old stock mb it won't run a 4000 CPU.
 
Has there been any talks on memory latency reduction or is this just simply an IPC and clock speed increase release? e.g. will we see Zen3 memory latency under say 55ns?
 
GregI said:
Has there been any talks on memory latency reduction or is this just simply an IPC and clock speed increase release? e.g. will we see Zen3 memory latency under say 55ns?
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well the 3300x is on a single ccx and not even that gets close to it. Latency will be lower with zen3 but I doubt it will drop under 55ns. My guess is to expect about a 5ns to 10ns reduction compared to Zen2 so maybe with good timing we could see close to 55ns
 
Grim5 said:
My guess is to expect about a 5ns to 10ns reduction compared to Zen2 so maybe with good timing we could see close to 55ns
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55ns is basically what I get with my DDR4 & 9900K, in benchmarks. More than good enough to do what AMD needs it to do, get a clean sweep in gaming benchmarks at 1080p and remove the last marketing boast Intel can pull out of the hat.
 
How AMD Continually Sabotages Itself with Marketing (B450 / B550 Chipsets & Zen 3 BIOS)

"AMD and motherboard makers share the blame for what led to unprecedented backlash against the Ryzen product line, and we're here to find a balance between the outrage and AMD's defense."
 
I think a lot of people have got parts of it right. Amd have been a little silly but are now correcting issues that should have been corrected or cleared up before they released b450 and specifically the b450max boards.

Very silly but it is what it is and we now know what's what. Hopefully :D.
 
Some quotes from Gamersnexus:

"AMD gotten what it deserved and it's fans got a bit of wake-up call".

"AMD has a history of obtuse marketing which plays to the cheap seats".

"AMD is now a big boy company and it's fans need to realise it's one".

"AMD knew lack of compatibility would cause issues".

"AMD wanted to announce the 500 chipset news around Zen3 support and the lack of 450 and 470 Zen3 support before the Zen3 CPU launch because AMD wanted to pre-empt that launch and AMD did not want all of this to overshadow a new CPU launch and wanted to give a chance for people to sit and simmer or sit and stew depending on the news".

"After talking to people familar with the matter, AMD didn't expect the backlash to be this bad".

"AMD should have spent all this time building up it's own products instead of making a self righteous post about how Intel is repugnant for not supporting its CPUs past a single socket".

Not sure AMD will want to send him any review parts after that! :p

It also shows AMD definitely knew for a longtime that B450 would not work,they knew not making B450/X470 incompatible would cause a problem,and didn't give a damn about what people thought,so decided to keep quiet until it suited them,ie, to not affect the Zen3 launch.

So,in the end no better than Intel NOW really.
 
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Grim5 said:
* Checks motherboard website

256 Mb Flash ROM, UEFI AMI BIOS, PnP, WfM2.0, SM BIOS 3.2, ACPI 6.2

* Lets out a sigh of relief
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Mine too.

But it appears according to Gamersnexus,AMD knew about the "problem". However,apparently they just sat on the information ,and were more worried about negative PR about the Zen3 launch,and decided to make the news now,so not to affect Zen3. They also expect people who bought mainstream motherboards to deal with it,and thought there wouldn't be a big backlash.
 
Hopefully they get a smacked bottom over this and learn that putting your hand in the cookie jar will not be tolerated.

That's right Amd.... Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done. Do not come back until your ready to apologize. :D
 
Doobedoo said:
Hopefully they get a smacked bottom over this and learn that putting your hand in the cookie jar will not be tolerated.

That's right Amd.... Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done. Do not come back until your ready to apologize. :D
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This would have been all solved if they said last year,it won't work. But I just find it very cynical how they just sat on the information,and waited to give it to people when it suited their own product cycles. This fits the other information about system integrators and OEMs not finding out either.

Also the fact they factored in that people would be screwed over,and they expected it to be to tolerable levels,and expected after a few months it would blow over in their favour. Basically the same as Intel,who get flak for doing this.
 
LePhuronn said:
Future SSDs are going to be very exciting if you're a gamer. What's going into the new consoles is going to cause big problems for PC ports once devs get going properly. That's probably more of an impact on PC gaming than GPUs.
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If the new PS5 will support 3440x1440 then I'm definitely buying one, and will hold back on PC upgrading until PC graphics pricing becomes sane again (if ever).
 
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