AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[Grim5]

Yeah if the 9880H is throttling/TDP restricted. If not it scores about 21K.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21266376


That being said, that is still mightily impressive given last gen for AMD in laptop were 4c8th.
That is right up there

throttling is a real case scenario though - most intel top of the range gaming CPUs get very very hot

 

[4K8KW10]

Thats if you're lucky, ive seen the MM and usually you lose a lot more than you think.

Also AM5 is right around the corner as well

AM5 is 2021-2022

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Thats if you're lucky, ive seen the MM and usually you lose a lot more than you think.

Also AM5 is right around the corner as well

Sell on ebay people pay brand new price for second hand gear

 

[FoxEye]

Sell on ebay people pay brand new price for second hand gear

Or you get scammed. I'd rather sell on the MM and get a fair price from an honest buyer.

 

[pete910]

Or you get scammed. I'd rather sell on the MM and get a fair price from an honest buyer.

^^^^ This

 

[arc@css]

Will the 4000 series use a new socket or will it be compatible with AM4 tech?

 

[jigger]

Will the 4000 series use a new socket or will it be compatible with AM4 tech?

Everything says the 4000 will be AM4. 5000 will likely be AM5.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Will the 4000 series use a new socket or will it be compatible with AM4 tech?

should be the last compatible with AM4.

So I'll upgrade. then when AM5 hits I won't have the upgrade itch as I have the latest AM4 ro I may wait for AM5 to hit and pick up a cheap one second hand.

I will wait before I jump to AM5. Leave the first gen out so they sort out most of the niggles.

 

[bakes0310]

How i got it in my head if i had money was to upgrade my system on the last of the best am4 lineup and then do the same for the last lineup for am5, am6 etc. So thats a new cpu/memory/motherboard upgrade every 4-5 years plus a new gpu in the middle every 3 years.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

There's no going back to intels socket shenanigans. I really hope AM5 has a long tail of support like AM4.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

There's no going back to intels socket shenanigans. I really hope AM5 has a long tail of support like AM4.

I expect at least 3 years, more likely 4 or 5.

We know that zen4 is all but confirmed to be 5nm, its just zen5 and onwards im not sure what direction they're going.

They could go 5nm+ (4nm) for zen5 and then zen3 for zen6, but who knows at this point

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I expect at least 3 years, more likely 4 or 5.

We know that zen4 is all but confirmed to be 5nm, its just zen5 and onwards im not sure what direction they're going.

They could go 5nm+ (4nm) for zen5 and then zen3 for zen6, but who knows at this point

I am not sure they will keep up a new node for each generation but we will see. If they stayed at 5nm for 2 generations, then 5nm+ for 2 it might be more profitable with minimal impact on progress and much less risk. Kind of like the old Intel tick-tock model before they got into their tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick model.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I am not sure they will keep up a new node for each generation but we will see. If they stayed at 5nm for 2 generations, then 5nm+ for 2 it might be more profitable with minimal impact on progress and much less risk. Kind of like the old Intel tick-tock model before they got into their tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick model.

Yep thats also very possible, I mean only time will tell but AMD did say they hope to get similar sort of IPC gains each year (15-20%) and I think in order to do that they will need to be jumping to new nodes. It's too tough to get that sort of IPC gain on the same node for too long.

 

[LePhuronn]

I am not sure they will keep up a new node for each generation but we will see.

It's entirely possible AMD are going new node every year simply because they can with TSMC, so we'll see what happens when TSMC runs out of steam. TSMC 3nm is 2022, which would coincide with Zen 5. But AMD are apparently already looking at Zen's successor, so what is it designed for? Are they working with TSMC on what's past 3nm? That's potentially an issue if AMD get a post-3nm design sorted but TSMC can't deliver the process (like what happened with Intel's Ice Lake).

 

[Alan1969]

I think AMD said that ZEN 3 will be a new architure over ZEN2 and so they may get another 15% IPC on the same node.

 

[Alan1969]

I expect at least 3 years, more likely 4 or 5.

We know that zen4 is all but confirmed to be 5nm, its just zen5 and onwards im not sure what direction they're going.

They could go 5nm+ (4nm) for zen5 and then zen3 for zen6, but who knows at this point

AMD said that they will use AM4 until AT LEAST 2020 (ie. will be used for ryzen 4000 and the X670) - so perhaps AM4 may even last into next year or longer.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

It's entirely possible AMD are going new node every year simply because they can with TSMC, so we'll see what happens when TSMC runs out of steam. TSMC 3nm is 2022, which would coincide with Zen 5. But AMD are apparently already looking at Zen's successor, so what is it designed for? Are they working with TSMC on what's past 3nm? That's potentially an issue if AMD get a post-3nm design sorted but TSMC can't deliver the process (like what happened with Intel's Ice Lake).

I don't doubt they can, it's potentially risky to always be at the bleeding edge though. If anything goes wrong, any delays happen then it could hurt AMD a fair bit. Definitely good for them if they can keep on it so aggressively though.

 

[LePhuronn]

AMD said that they will use AM4 until AT LEAST 2020 (ie. will be used for ryzen 4000 and the X670) - so perhaps AM4 may even last into next year or longer.

I think everybody agrees that the socket is changing when DDR5 is viable for mainstream desktop, which would probably coincide with PCIe 5 too.

There's little point in moving to AM5 with DDR4 if it means changing boards again the following year for DDR5. Unless, of course, there's some significant shift with Zen 4 that will require a socket change.

 

[Postmodum]

Well, the latest "leaks" shown that the new Zen 3 family was added to Linux and the word is that there's no code optimization/customization needed that they can still use the same configuration as the zen 2 family ...

So my guess is that there are no major changes coming other than the actual CPU.

 

[LePhuronn]

Well, the latest "leaks" shown that the new Zen 3 family was added to Linux and the word is that there's no code optimization/customization needed that they can still use the same configuration as the zen 2 family ...

So my guess is that there are no major changes coming other than the actual CPU.

But the chiplets are moving to a single 8-core unit, rather than a pair of quad core CCXs. At what point does the OS see a 3700X (for example) as an 8 core CPU? Does it know there are 2 CCXs, or does the IO die or BIOS obfuscate that? If it's the former then I can see additional work on the OS required to work with the new 8 core CCD.