AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[BS Dave]

I don't think there are any games where your fps tanks on 6/12cores vs 8/16 currently even on games that can take advantage of 12 cores. If you want to keep the CPU for 3 year+ though then 8 core will be the better option even though it will most likely get beaten by a newer 6 core CPU in 3 years time

by that logic we’d all still be on 4 cores and we’re not. You just can’t tell

 

[Joxeon]

by that logic we’d all still be on 4 cores and we’re not. You just can’t tell

Well tbf the 4 core ryzen3 3300X still keeps up in gaming so I think 6 cores will be good for a few years yet.

 

[BS Dave]

Well tbf the 4 core ryzen3 3300X still keeps up in gaming so I think 6 cores will be good for a few years yet.

yeah but the 4300x will probs beat it

 

[CuriousTomCat]

An Octocore CPU has 33.3% more cores that a Hexacore. So if AMD increases IPC by exactly 16.65% each year, then an 8 core CPU from this year should have the same IPC as a 6 core CPU in two years. That's not taking the improved memory bandwidth into consideration either.

Assuming well optimised multithreaded software of course.

 

[Calin Banc]

CPUs back then were only advancing by a few % every generation but now we are seeing 15-20% gains year on year if not more with the core counts increasing also.

Could you imagen buying a pentium 4 1.5ghz in 2001 for $800 and trying to run modern games on that 10 years later?

Games requirements are tight with consoles life cycles. It matters less how much improvement CPUs get over the years. If a current 8c/16 or 12c/24t CPU can do 60fps, than the average gamer couldn't care less that the best new shinny CPU does 300 in 5 years. Just upgrade the GPU, storage, RAM, etc...

 

[FoxEye]

If company's like AMD continue to bring 15% IPC every year then today's CPUs will start to age a lot faster

That's a big "if". Will doff my hat to them if they manage it.

 

[Grim5]

IPC is only high because there is so much to improve when your architecture is new.

unless AMD is right now working on a brand new architecture to replace ryzen in 2 years you can bet that in 2 years the IPC increases will sub 5% by then

 

[Calin Banc]

Yes, but IPC is not always everything and more cores, as lower prices, could have the same effect of pushing more performance at the same price point (hopefully).

 

[Participant]

Whilst I understand this won't apply to everyone, I've just always been perfectly happy (and better off, both financially and in terms of frames) buying at the budget end of new CPU technology and spending some of the saving on a better GPU.

But then I game at 4K and at that res, the difference between a 6 core and 8 core CPU is (at the moment) basically meaningless.

My non-gaming requirements are also very basic. Chrome, Excel, and PS are probably about as much CPU work as my machines do outside of games.

Each to their own situation I guess.

 

[RBImGuy]

IPC is only high because there is so much to improve when your architecture is new.

unless AMD is right now working on a brand new architecture to replace ryzen in 2 years you can bet that in 2 years the IPC increases will sub 5% by then

As die nm node is reaching limits, 5nm is a likely end even if 3nm is on trial.
so normally a die shrink allows to double the transistors.
AMD went with IF to unload some stuff on a different chiplet allowing a scaling and yield to be superb.
So its still an innovated approach to scale, ipc not just with clockspeed.
Next year we see am5, on ryzen 4 with a likely redesign to some extent of the ryzen 3 coming out soonish.
AMD has shown the way they designed ryzen it been able to scale 15% ipc in each generation due to they cant milk the customer like Intel did for a decade.
Intel also burned their goodwill and brand alongside the 10nm epic fiasco.
New solutions and innovations usually happens when things starts to become limited the old way

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Whilst I understand this won't apply to everyone, I've just always been perfectly happy (and better off, both financially and in terms of frames) buying at the budget end of new CPU technology and spending some of the saving on a better GPU.

But then I game at 4K and at that res, the difference between a 6 core and 8 core CPU is (at the moment) basically meaningless.

My non-gaming requirements are also very basic. Chrome, Excel, and PS are probably about as much CPU work as my machines do outside of games.

Each to their own situation I guess.

Exactly the same with me - I bought the budget CPU of the line and it's been perfectly capable. Don't see any need to buy the top end.

 

[humbug]

3600 is brilliant, my 5700XT can stretch its legs no problem.

 

[five8five]

3600 is brilliant, my 5700XT can stretch its legs no problem.

With both new consoles being 8 core, I wouldn't recommend buying a 3600 now.

 

[jigger]

With both new consoles being 8 core, I wouldn't recommend buying a 3600 now.

I suppose it depends what you are looking to spend, but a properly setup 3600 offers a lot of grunt for the money.

 

[michty_me]

I needed a new machine at the end of last year so opted for a 3600 with a higher end X570 with intentions of upgrading to a Zen 3 processor when they came out. The 3600 is a little cracker so will probably wait until the Zen 3 processors start dropping in price before considering now.

 

[GregI]

I know October was basically confirmed/guessed at as retail launch but I think MSI just basically said "yes it's October" with the B550 Unify in a nonchalant way: https://wccftech.com/msi-meg-b550-u...herboards-pictured-high-end-amd-ryzen-boards/

"We have also got a word from our sources that both of these motherboards will feature a highly aggressive design that is targeted for overclocking on AMD's next-generation Ryzen Desktop CPUs codenamed Vermeer... the B550 Unify series is expected to launch in a September/October time-frame"

Makes sense to have the board ready end of September/very start of October in preparation for a Zen 3 launch around October 10th. This might also hint at no other chipsets (X670) being made if MSI is going this much in with a 2 DIMM board.

 

[Destination]

I will be shocked to the core if x670 doesn't make an appearance, and doubly shocked if zen 3 lands on 10th October, it'll be later than that.

 

[~>Dg<~]

november was the last date said by someone amd. x670 you know will probably drop at same time or after. to take over from the x570 just like the 550 has the 450.

 

[Joxeon]

november was the last date said by someone amd. x670 you know will probably drop at same time or after. to take over from the x570 just like the 550 has the 450.

X570 don't really need replacing though, B550 was a big upgrade over B450 in terms of Vrm and feature sets but where do they go with X670 as X570 is already pretty well stacked?.

 

[timorous]

X570 don't really need replacing though, B550 was a big upgrade over B450 in terms of Vrm and feature sets but where do they go with X670 as X570 is already pretty well stacked?.

More RGB obviously. Also lasers because why not.