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joeyjojo · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:29

sityeuropa said:
Ah I get an error, maybe because it's 64bit? Also so many associated files with Premiere.

This one works: http://win-builds.org/doku.php/download_and_installation_from_windows

Horrible installer but seems to give the same output as on GNU/Linux for the Linpack 64 exe.

Curlyriff · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:44

Hotwired said:
Funny stuff.

The issue is putting in code to disable updates for older OS if they use new hardware.

So it's not "it wont work" it's we're gonna check the hardware and if we we don't like it we disable updates.

That's not lack of support that's deliberate blocking.

Yep I get that but they said they were not going to support it at the begging not that they couldn't. They chose too but they did say as such to begin with.

AMD and Intel would have agreed to this as well otherwise there would be bigger issues.

It was always planned and been published and now it's suddenly a big issue. Yeah I don't agree they should have done it but burying the details we knew doesn't help.

Curlyriff · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:45

deuse said:
Who's getting angry? could it be Microsoft because windows 7 is beating the hell out windows 10?
I'm now off to buy a 6th gen Intel.

Sorry wasn't necessarily meant to say you was but just people on here generally are.

Curlyriff · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:49

Combat squirrel said:
Your missing the point, so much, the point is a dot to you.

There is no physical reason the CPU won't run other OS's, its purely as the video said, microsoft trying to log every little thing you do and heavily spy on you, the issue is massive corporation abusing its customers - abusive strong arming a customer using your information and life for others personal gain is literally '1984'

However I bet it won't be long before a hacker changes this - no matter what MS try to do, the OS Kernal is x64 bit universal - you can't make a processor that runs a 40 year old code base immune to all code thats based on x64/x86

I'm not missing it, I know they will/would work but Microsoft stated they would not be supporting them apart from on W10 onwards months back now.

That is all I am saying and people seem to be forgetting that completely.

I know the reason why, I am just suggesting people need to realise that it was always stated and in Microsofts plan to make sure we do upgrade to W10.

sityeuropa · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:51

joeyjojo said:
This one works: http://win-builds.org/doku.php/download_and_installation_from_windows

Horrible installer but seems to give the same output as on GNU/Linux for the Linpack 64 exe.

I got a bit confused what I was looking for.

Nutella33 · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:52

New bios's out for the crosshair guys.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread

melmac · 17 Mar 2017 at 12:58

steve258 said:
The statement is not really true, you can oc mem on B350 too, but B350 and most X370 motherboards can only overclock via mem divider, so it will only run 2400/2666/2933/3200. If you have 3000 mem for example then you have to settle for 2933 or if you're lucky, 3200. On top end X370 boards like asrock taichi and asus CH6 you also have the option to adjust BCLK clock to fine tune the memory.

Ah, thanks Steve, that clears things up a little. If the board supports it, is it better to get memory that runs at a higher MHz? rather than overclock slower memory?

I was thinking of getting the bundle that Overclockers are doing with the 1700 and an Asus Prime x370 board. Was going to pair that with 2x8Gb sticks of 3000Hz ram, that the board supports. Is the Asus prime a big no-no at the moment?

joeyjojo · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:10

sityeuropa said:
I got a bit confused what I was looking for.

Any line with vfmadd... in the third column. For example, here's one from Linpack

Code:

   1400640ab:   62 52 c5 18 b9 d2       vfmadd231sd {rn-sae},%xmm10,%xmm7,%xmm10

I can't find any, so no FMA3 instructions in that exe.

However it might be calling other libraries (DLLs) which do, so can't know for sure.

I wouldn't leave that up there for long - violates the EULA probably.

sityeuropa · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:14

Ah ok, thanks

DragonQ · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:15

Does anyone know power consumption figures for an overclocked R7 1700? I am unsure what to do with my Westmere-EP system when I go Ryzen - I could use it as a server but I bet the power consumption would be way higher than Ryzen or modern Intel platforms, to the point of costing an extra £50-100 a year.

nkuk · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:19

Bit-Tech have a review up for the ASUS C6 Hero: https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/03/17/asus-crosshair-vi-hero-review/1

Like the Toms Hardware taichi review they didn't compare it to any other X370 boards.

Nutella33 · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:21

DragonQ said:
Does anyone know power consumption figures for an overclocked R7 1700? I am unsure what to do with my Westmere-EP system when I go Ryzen - I could use it as a server but I bet the power consumption would be way higher than Ryzen or modern Intel platforms, to the point of costing an extra £50-100 a year.

OC power reviews I've seen are saying up to 250W for whole system benchmarking. @Scramz posted some power figures as well earlier.

Hotwired · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:21

Curlyriff said:
I'm not missing it, I know they will/would work but Microsoft stated they would not be supporting them apart from on W10 onwards months back now.

That is all I am saying and people seem to be forgetting that completely.

I know the reason why, I am just suggesting people need to realise that it was always stated and in Microsofts plan to make sure we do upgrade to W10.

Nah, I'm fine with being annoyed.

You can keep on excusing it but all parts of it suck from saying it, implementing it and the data harvesting.

nkuk · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:27

Hotwired said:
Nah, I'm fine with being annoyed.

You can keep on excusing it but all parts of it suck from saying it, implementing it and the data harvesting.

I agree, I moved over to Linux due to all this type of Microsoft shenanigans. I'm often surprised that people don't only just put up with it, in some cases they defend all this anti-consumer nonsense.

PhoenixUK · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:28

DragonQ said:
Does anyone know power consumption figures for an overclocked R7 1700? I am unsure what to do with my Westmere-EP system when I go Ryzen - I could use it as a server but I bet the power consumption would be way higher than Ryzen or modern Intel platforms, to the point of costing an extra £50-100 a year.

If you do seach on the cpu forums someone has posted power consumption figures earlier in either this or another thread. Was for a full system I think but seemed quite impressive. If you're looking at running 24/7 it could very well be quite a decent saving over time

africanos23 · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:38

"Alright, BIOS updating time. This version has reverted DRAM settings to 5803 behavior (1T mode), but I also have a test BIOS which keeps 0902 behavior (2T mode) for those who saw improvements there. It also fixes the low temperature reporting and FanXpert OS control."

Curlyriff · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:43

DragonQ said:
Two things have changed: firstly, this isn't "not supporting Ryzen/Kaby Lake on Windows 7/8.1" any more. This has now become "if you have Ryzen/Kaby Lake we are going to intentionally disable update functionality on Windows 7/8.1". Those are very different IMO. Secondly, some reviewers note (in some cases much) better gaming results with Ryzen using Windows 7 compared to Windows 10. Yet now, Windows 7 can't be used without losing update functionality.

Hotwired said:
Nah, I'm fine with being annoyed.

You can keep on excusing it but all parts of it suck from saying it, implementing it and the data harvesting.

Not excusing anything, just aware we knew this was coming for some time and only now everyone was kicking off.

eyetrip · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:44

melmac said:
Ah, thanks Steve, that clears things up a little. If the board supports it, is it better to get memory that runs at a higher MHz? rather than overclock slower memory?

I was thinking of getting the bundle that Overclockers are doing with the 1700 and an Asus Prime x370 board. Was going to pair that with 2x8Gb sticks of 3000Hz ram, that the board supports. Is the Asus prime a big no-no at the moment?

Most boards are having issues running memory higher than 2667 currently I think.

Regarding the Asus x370 pro, issues currently face otherwise : no idle downclock when Oc, didn't like one of my USB 3 hubs, numlock won't stay enabled at start.

Apart from that, seems solid enough. Easily pushes a 1700 to 4ghz.

DragonQ · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:59

Nutella33 said:
OC power reviews I've seen are saying up to 250W for whole system benchmarking. @Scramz posted some power figures as well earlier.

Sorry, I should've been more specific. I'm more interested in idle power consumption since 90% of the time the machine is just serving files and not doing much. Backups and parity calculations are probably the most it usually has to do.

steve258 · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:59

melmac said:
Ah, thanks Steve, that clears things up a little. If the board supports it, is it better to get memory that runs at a higher MHz? rather than overclock slower memory?

I was thinking of getting the bundle that Overclockers are doing with the 1700 and an Asus Prime x370 board. Was going to pair that with 2x8Gb sticks of 3000Hz ram, that the board supports. Is the Asus prime a big no-no at the moment?

It's always better to just get the highest rated memory you can afford, more importantly buy QVL approved RAM for your chosen mobo. Many on AM4 platform now are still struggling to run their memory at its rated frequency let alone overclocking it. My Vengeance LPX 3000 CL15 isn't on the approved list but I've been lucky enough to be able to run it at 2933 with a bit of voltage tweaking. RAM is everything it seems with these new Rysen chips.

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