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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

I'm really looking forward to see how high this chip can clock, but I'm not too optimistic given the RX480 clocks...

Still it's really nice to see that the architecture is solid, which is what comparing IPC is more about: basically it means that clock for clock we compete, it's now just a matter of how high our process will allow us to clock.

Unfortunately I think Intel's process is superior in that regard.

Still, we might hopefully be surprised with power consumption? Maybe 14LPP is more power efficient? In that case, the server chips will be quite compelling even if they don't quite reach the performance levels Intel clocks allow...

In any case, I'm upgrading in 2017 and it looks like Zen's performance (and most likely the price) will be more than good enough for me...
 
One thing to point out is that by the time Zen arrives Intel might already be selling an 8 core Skylake-E in the £450 region, so AMD's hands might be heavily tied when it comes to pricing.
 
Martini1991 said:
AMD still need products at the pentium to core i3 range, and what about the budget i5's?

It's all very sketchy how things will look next year.
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That's what the APUs are for.

Though there is some grey area since presumably they'll offer a 4-core APU, and I don't know if they can turn off hyperthreading with their design. It would be odd to have 4c/8t + GPU cores for the same or less money as 4c/8t standalone. Unless the APUs won't be overclockable and clocked lower at stock perhaps.
 
Funny part is - lightly threaded tasks - Intel rules without a doubt -but moment you start throwing in multi-thread or several tasks its no where near clear cut - my 8320e lightly threaded can't keep up with 6600k without a doubt.

but rendering - converting videos over - running several tasks at once - 8320 doesn't blink.....while several of my intel cpus do bog down.......Humbug has seen this also. While we do need faster single cores - where the big jump we need is parallelism. We're only now after talking about it for 10+ years finally seeing it happen; not just games but other software.

Both are finite in what people will be able to get out of them; but most of the low hanging fruit Intel has already grabbed - for those thinking they can just drop another IPC monster - I don't think they can - AMD still have low hanging fruit they can with their new Zen -

People are getting used to being able to just run stuff seamlessly - they don't care or want to have to shut everything else down to run their other programs; honestly. They want a machine that works seamlessly - run all their programs......*mostly games as that still one of the fields that is being driven by PCs*
 
A 6700k, high-end mobo and 32gb of RAM comes in at £700ish I have that and a bunch of other stuff in mind for my upgrade but I'm holding out for AMD, some parts of the 170 platform annoy me and Zen apparently, doesn't have these limitations.
 
meldarthx said:
Funny part is - lightly threaded tasks - Intel rules without a doubt -but moment you start throwing in multi-thread or several tasks its no where near clear cut - my 8320e lightly threaded can't keep up with 6600k without a doubt.

but rendering - converting videos over - running several tasks at once - 8320 doesn't blink.....while several of my intel cpus do bog down.......Humbug has seen this also. While we do need faster single cores - where the big jump we need is parallelism. We're only now after talking about it for 10+ years finally seeing it happen; not just games but other software.

Both are finite in what people will be able to get out of them; but most of the low hanging fruit Intel has already grabbed - for those thinking they can just drop another IPC monster - I don't think they can - AMD still have low hanging fruit they can with their new Zen -

People are getting used to being able to just run stuff seamlessly - they don't care or want to have to shut everything else down to run their other programs; honestly. They want a machine that works seamlessly - run all their programs......*mostly games as that still one of the fields that is being driven by PCs*
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I think part of this is people expecting too much of mid range CPU's.
Intel offer uber high end throw whatever you want at me CPU's that'll wreck anything AMD can produce, but they cost real money.

You wouldn't buy a mid range GPU and expect it to be all singing all dancing all of the time.
 
meldarthx said:
Funny part is - lightly threaded tasks - Intel rules without a doubt -but moment you start throwing in multi-thread or several tasks its no where near clear cut - my 8320e lightly threaded can't keep up with 6600k without a doubt.

but rendering - converting videos over - running several tasks at once - 8320 doesn't blink.....while several of my intel cpus do bog down.......Humbug has seen this also. While we do need faster single cores - where the big jump we need is parallelism. We're only now after talking about it for 10+ years finally seeing it happen; not just games but other software.

Both are finite in what people will be able to get out of them; but most of the low hanging fruit Intel has already grabbed - for those thinking they can just drop another IPC monster - I don't think they can - AMD still have low hanging fruit they can with their new Zen -

People are getting used to being able to just run stuff seamlessly - they don't care or want to have to shut everything else down to run their other programs; honestly. They want a machine that works seamlessly - run all their programs......*mostly games as that still one of the fields that is being driven by PCs*
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I don't miss the wildly fluctuating FPS in some games on the FX83## that the Intel completely cured.

But yes, i do miss doing multiple heavy tasks at the same time, no longer having the FX83## makes you realise just how good it was at that sort of work, you can ask it, "do this, and now this and this, and a bit of this", it just turns round and says "ah ##### no problem" and the system is still just as smooth and responsive as it is at idle, ask the Intel "do this and this" its response is " what? you're having a laugh, i can't do that and that at the same time, WTF is wrong with you?
And its not just down to how many cores it has, there is far more to it.
 
jigger said:
7th generation APU's are already out and coming for AM4.
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There not the next gen Zen ones though .

The purpose of the A10-7870K is to show that AMD is working at improving the silicon process and is able to achieve more with the same.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9307/the-kaveri-refresh-godavari-review-testing-amds-a10-7870k

Hopefully when we get second or third gen Zen APU's they'll allow proper 1080p gaming, Once that happens I'm planning on making a Sony Walkman sized PC for when I'm in B&B's on the road.
 
humbug said:
I don't miss the wildly fluctuating FPS in some games on the FX83## that the Intel completely cured.

But yes, i do miss doing multiple heavy tasks at the same time, no longer having the FX83## makes you realise just how good it was at that sort of work, you can ask it, "do this, and now this and this, and a bit of this", it just turns round and says "ah ##### no problem" and the system is still just as smooth and responsive as it is at idle, ask the Intel "do this and this" its response is " what? you're having a laugh, i can't do that and that at the same time, WTF is wrong with you?
And its not just down to how many cores it has, there is far more to it.
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This....

Miss my 8350 as well, done everything i asked it to do, could render and sit watch youtube vids, brower google and few other things at the same time.
 
humbug said:
I don't miss the wildly fluctuating FPS in some games on the FX83## that the Intel completely cured.

But yes, i do miss doing multiple heavy tasks at the same time, no longer having the FX83## makes you realise just how good it was at that sort of work, you can ask it, "do this, and now this and this, and a bit of this", it just turns round and says "ah ##### no problem" and the system is still just as smooth and responsive as it is at idle, ask the Intel "do this and this" its response is " what? you're having a laugh, i can't do that and that at the same time, WTF is wrong with you?
And its not just down to how many cores it has, there is far more to it.
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I noticed the same when I went from the 8350 to the 4690k but as you say my games were a lot smoother and my FPS took a wee jump on some games.

since getting the i7 4770k I can do the multiple tasks again and my games still run smooth and again on a few games my FPS have taken a nice wee jump ( mainly GTA v )
 
would be good for AMD to get back in the game.
there has been a few benchmarks ive seen online some weren't that great but now that
AMD have done there official event its looking better than the benchmarks I had previously seen.

Im hoping they will provide as if anything it will give intel some competition
 
jbh110tdi said:
would be good for AMD to get back in the game.
there has been a few benchmarks ive seen online some weren't that great but now that
AMD have done there official event its looking better than the benchmarks I had previously seen.

Im hoping they will provide as if anything it will give intel some competition
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Yup, high end gpu and high end cpu is pretty much nvidia and intel, about time amd got back up to the top tier again.

N19h7m4r3 said:
That's probably for their lower end Zen chips, and the others seemed to be using their Wrath coolers, and the server range even larger ones.

One thing is for sure, at least the AMD coolers are better than stock Intel ones. :D
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Yeah the Wraith is stupidly beefy for a stock cooler, presumably zen will come packaged with them.
 
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