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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Caporegime
I think paper launch 2016,with samples going to OEMs first.
Edit!!
I could be wrong OFC!!
Soldato
I would prefer to see a full launch 2017 than a limited (i.e. no stock) launch before Christmas.
Even as a Skylake owner I am looking forward to this feeling excited for this
Not expecting anything spectacular but performance in and around Broadwell and hopefully 16 threads for the price of 8... I can dream
Even as a Skylake owner I am looking forward to this feeling excited for this
Not expecting anything spectacular but performance in and around Broadwell and hopefully 16 threads for the price of 8... I can dream
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Last great AMD cpu? What about when the original skt754 AMD 64 cpu's arrived? Intel had to act quickly because in gaming they tortured the P4. In particular the 3200+ @ 2ghz would handily compete and in cases surpass a Northwood P4 @ 3.2ghz, not to mention Intels answer in the form of Prescott
IRC correctly it was only when Conroe came did intel take the crown back.Blast from the past review:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd,review-770-25.html
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Last great AMD cpu? What about when the original skt754 AMD 64 cpu's arrived? Intel had to act quick because in gaming they tortured the P4. In particular the 3200+ @ 2ghz would handily compete and in cases surpass a Northwood P4 @ 3.2ghz, not to mention Intels answer in the form of Prescott
Blast from the past review:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd,review-770-25.html
I still have one of those systems, and it still works!
Originally built it with GeForce 4 4800Ti, but upgraded to a 6600GT later.
They were little powerhouses for everything!
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That's cool
I bought the 3200+ from this very site on release complete with the memory bug I think the board was a Soltek one with purple pci and agp slots. They offered tremendous value for the money when I think back and my god was it smooth in games. Anyway, we're going off topic, fingers crossed for Zen being competetive!
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Soldato
That's cool
Still off topic
I bought two Thoroughbred 'B' 1700+ from here (~£40 ea.) and they were equivalent to Barton, clocking at 2200MHz on an Abit NF-7 motherboard. I burnt one out on high vcore 
, back to topic.
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Caporegime
I had the Skt 478 P4 3.2Ghz HT, it got replaced with the 3200+, it was like night and day, faster, more stable, cooler...
Soldato
Last really good CPU AMD had before Conroe hit was the A64 X2 and their equivalent Opterons. It's been a long dry patch for AMD to be sure.
Really looking forward to seeing what Zen can do.
Really looking forward to seeing what Zen can do.
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The image on the first page says "40% more instructions per clock" - am I right in saying that instructions per clock is generally why a 4.0ghz quad core (for example) Intel processor would perform better than a 4.0ghz quad core AMD processor?
My last PC had an A10 APU, I was considering adding a GPU and crossfiring it with the APU's onboard graphics, but decided to build a new system instead. I wonder what these new APU's will be like, if it's possible to crossfire with RX4*0 series GPU's?
My last PC had an A10 APU, I was considering adding a GPU and crossfiring it with the APU's onboard graphics, but decided to build a new system instead. I wonder what these new APU's will be like, if it's possible to crossfire with RX4*0 series GPU's?
Yep IPC means essentially the amount of work/calculations (per clock) that the CPU can do resulting in performance.
I'd bet good money you'll be able to crossfire AMD Zen APU's with Polaris. If the IPC is as good as AMD are making out ATM, Intel will have a real battle for the consumers who value solid CPU performance with quality integrated graphics.
The 4 core 8 thread APU version might be a bit of a monster.
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It's the enthusiast part there starting with that's of interest for many, Most people are on at least 4 core cpu's now and are hoping for more,
When are the apu's expected?
I'll be interested in one when they're able to run 1080p comfortably.
It will be interesting to see what Intel do with Kabylake, now I know that there isn't a lot they can change at this late stage, maybe even just clock speeds and price. But if when they launch they seem to be quite aggressively clocked or priced then maybe that will be an indication of what Intel think Zen will be like.
One other thing, AMD are making a very big deal and rightly so out of the 40% higher IPC than their earlier architecture, but if you look at Intel sandybridge vs skylake in some cases it is a massive %jump in performance and that is at the same clock speed, of course in others benches it is hardly any difference, (2600k vs 6700) NOw of course AMD's 40% jump in IPC does not necessarily equate to a 40% jump in performance, or even a consistent performance improvement across the board, Zen will be better at some things than it is at others, just how well it will stack up against the latest Intel will have to offer none of us can possibly know.
Demoing it against Broadwell E was clever, as it is the latest Enthusiast chip from Intel but in reality the architecture will be two generations old by the time Zen gets here. One thing is for certain, there are interesting times ahead.
One other thing, AMD are making a very big deal and rightly so out of the 40% higher IPC than their earlier architecture, but if you look at Intel sandybridge vs skylake in some cases it is a massive %jump in performance and that is at the same clock speed, of course in others benches it is hardly any difference, (2600k vs 6700) NOw of course AMD's 40% jump in IPC does not necessarily equate to a 40% jump in performance, or even a consistent performance improvement across the board, Zen will be better at some things than it is at others, just how well it will stack up against the latest Intel will have to offer none of us can possibly know.
Demoing it against Broadwell E was clever, as it is the latest Enthusiast chip from Intel but in reality the architecture will be two generations old by the time Zen gets here. One thing is for certain, there are interesting times ahead.
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I don’t think Intel will care what Zen is like, the A64 destroyed the P4 but did not help AMD as none of the OEM's would use them. Hopefully they can get more OEM's to use the new CPU/APU's. They also need to get more server sales as that’s where the big money is.
Caporegime
Thats a pretty contentious statement
"the A64 destroyed the P4 but did not help AMD as none of the OEM's would use them."Intel paid OEM's not to use AMD, thats an established fact, Intel had the book thrown at them for it to the tune of $2BN ordered to pay AMD.