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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Gerard said:
Random question, is it worth installing these 1 gigabyte plus amd chipset drivers for the crosshair hero? I'm assuming the windows install probably already has installed chipset drivers as these seem to have amd display and audio drivers bundled with them.
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I downloaded the chipset drivers direct from AMD instead, not had any issues, agreed that driver package looks over the top.
 
Gerard said:
Random question, is it worth installing these 1 gigabyte plus amd chipset drivers for the crosshair hero? I'm assuming the windows install probably already has installed chipset drivers as these seem to have amd display and audio drivers bundled with them.

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I always use chipset drivers directly from AMD/Intel. Motherboard drivers are almost always out of date, even for things like on-board NICs.
 
subbytna said:
Who would be running a titan X @ 1080p. Bit of a pointless exercise that imo.
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You didn't watch the video though - they tested both the Titan X(they mentioned it was not a normal scenario) and a GTX1060.

The fact of the matter is that some here were bigging up the fact that the Core i5 7600K could overclock massively,etc and they literally just used the stock Ryzen 5 1600 cooler,and overclocked it and compared it against an overclocked Core i5 7600K using a H110i GT,and basically went LOL too.

In the end,the Ryzen 5 1600 holds its own,and they showed how in Crysis 3 and AC:U that looking at average framerates is a an issue - basically in areas where nothing was happening the Core i5 would pull ahead,but in areas where more stuff was happening the Ryzen 5 1600 was not only faster but had more consistent frametimes. That was even with a GTX1060!

So one has to question whether tests of the 4C/4T Intel CPUs need to be examined more closely now - averages might be artificially bumped up.

This means even the 4C Core i3 8350K is not going to have easy time.

It really shows you how much consoles are affecting things - the HT on the Core i7 seems to be enough to sort these issues out. So realistically for more and more games,it makes little sense to buy a 4C/4T Intel CPU now for £200+ unless its cheap.

Also look at the results against the Core i7 7800X - Techspot/Hardware Unboxed are going to test another sample to see if retail examples are any better,but it shows you the Ryzen 5 1600 is a great budget gaming CPU.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You didn't watch the video though - they tested both the GTX1080TI(and even said it was a more artificial scenario) and a GTX1060.

The fact of the matter is that some here were bigging up the fact that the Core i5 7600K could overclock massively,etc and they literally just used the stock Ryzen 5 1600 cooler,and overclocked it and compared it against an overclocked Core i5 7600K using a H110i GT,and basically went LOL too.

In the end,the Ryzen 5 1600 holds its own,and they showed how in Crysis 3 and AC:U that looking at average framerates is a an issue - basically in areas where nothing was happening the Core i5 would pull ahead,but in areas where more stuff was happening the Ryzen 5 1600 was not only faster but had more consistent frametimes.

So one has to question whether tests of the 4C Intel CPUs need to be examined more closely now - averages might be artificially bumped up.

This means even the 4C Core i3 8350K is not going to have easy time.

It really shows you how much consoles are affecting things - the HT on the Core i7 seems to be enough to sort these issues out. So realistically for more and more games,it makes little sense to buy a 4C Intel CPU now for £200+ unless its cheap.
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Like this...

Not much going on here, 0 draw distance for the CPU to compute, no physics.... the CPU isn't doing much.

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And here there is lighting bloom, Physics in the grass, some draw distance, particle effects.....

And the i5 falls flat on its face while the Ryzen remains solid.

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This BTW is how one review can show drastically different results to another, most reviewers prefer it when nothing is happening because they think its consistent.

Those people are clueless about how CPU's work in games.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You didn't watch the video though - they tested both the Titan X(they mentioned it was not a normal scenario) and a GTX1060.

The fact of the matter is that some here were bigging up the fact that the Core i5 7600K could overclock massively,etc and they literally just used the stock Ryzen 5 1600 cooler,and overclocked it and compared it against an overclocked Core i5 7600K using a H110i GT,and basically went LOL too.

In the end,the Ryzen 5 1600 holds its own,and they showed how in Crysis 3 and AC:U that looking at average framerates is a an issue - basically in areas where nothing was happening the Core i5 would pull ahead,but in areas where more stuff was happening the Ryzen 5 1600 was not only faster but had more consistent frametimes. That was even with a GTX1060!

So one has to question whether tests of the 4C/4T Intel CPUs need to be examined more closely now - averages might be artificially bumped up.

This means even the 4C Core i3 8350K is not going to have easy time.

It really shows you how much consoles are affecting things - the HT on the Core i7 seems to be enough to sort these issues out. So realistically for more and more games,it makes little sense to buy a 4C/4T Intel CPU now for £200+ unless its cheap.

Also look at the results against the Core i7 7800X - Techspot/Hardware Unboxed are going to test another sample to see if retail examples are any better,but it shows you the Ryzen 5 1600 is a great budget gaming CPU.
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Yep you're right, I'm in work and can't watch the clip. I think i3's will die off or eventually become 4c/8T minimum. I'm so glad AMD are tearing INTEL a new one. Great to see :D
 
subbytna said:
Yep you're right, I'm in work and can't watch the clip. I think i3's will die off or eventually become 4c/8T minimum. I'm so glad AMD are tearing INTEL a new one. Great to see :D
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OTH,good news for your current CPU too!!:D

humbug said:
Like this...

Not much going on here, 0 draw distance for the CPU to compute, no physics.... the CPU isn't doing much.

ewt.png


And here there is lighting bloom, Physics in the grass, some draw distance, particle effects.....

And the i5 falls flat on its face while the Ryzen remains solid.

vnfd.png


This BTW is how one review can show drastically different results to another, most reviewers prefer it when nothing is happening because they think its consistent.

Those people are clueless about how CPU's work in games.
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Its going to be an interesting fight between the Coffeelake 6C Core i5 and the Ryzen 5 1600,and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Ryzen 5 1600 setup is still cheaper overall. Intel will also have to use a larger chip than what they have been used to for the last few years too.
 
@CAT-THE-FIFTH

I think in games both the i5 and i7 CoffeeLakes will behave very similarly, also very similar to the 7700K, as pepole keep reminding us "games don't really use more than 4 cores" 4 cores with HT is probably more true but i think the i5 2 extra real cores over the 7700K will enable it to keep its pace, easily.

The more interesting prospect is the i3 8350, if thats 4 core HT it will also behave in game in much the same way as the i5 and i7, in which case Intel may end up cannibalising their own i5 and i7 line up. think about it :)

To put it into perspective, and not looking for reasons to bring this chart up again, this is how Intel's 12 thread CPU's fared against their own 8 thread CPU's, Again, i think CoffeeLake will be much the same as SkyLake, at least in games.

(again ignore the red box)

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