• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Martini1991 said:
Speculation.

An FX8320 is more than needed in the context you're posting. You couldn't say that the FX8320 has been killing it.
Click to expand...

I'm sure that if you stop and think a moment you'll understand the difference between "would sell" (which is what I wrote) and "has been killing it" (which is what you wrote).

For more context, it's worth noting that I recently wrote "AMD can't possibly be planning to compete with Intel on scale."

It's OEM's where AMD needs to get the product in to. So we'll see what it offers when it comes out.
Click to expand...
A quick check on the UK site of a large online retailer returns 186,534 results for "AMD". Their stuff is selling even now, when it's clearly inferior to Intel's stuff. It's reasonable to think AMD hardware that's closer in performance to Intel's and still significantly cheaper would sell a bit more than AMD's current hardware.
 
Last edited:
Martini1991 said:
I don't ultimately understand what you're getting at.
Click to expand...

That the performance you described as "meh" should be good enough to increase AMD's sales if it's also cheap enough because that "meh" performance is more than good enough for almost everything.

A comparison that comes to my mind is a video I recently watched comparing a McLaren 675LT with a Porsche 918. Sure, the 918 has significantly higher performance. The drag race made that particularly obvious (apart from the first couple of dozen meters when both cars were limited by traction). But the 675LT is far more than enough for almost everything and it's a great deal cheaper.
 
Angilion said:
That the performance you described as "meh" should be good enough to increase AMD's sales if it's also cheap enough because that "meh" performance is more than good enough for almost everything.

A comparison that comes to my mind is a video I recently watched comparing a McLaren 675LT with a Porsche 918. Sure, the 918 has significantly higher performance. The drag race made that particularly obvious (apart from the first couple of dozen meters when both cars were limited by traction). But the 675LT is far more than enough for almost everything and it's a great deal cheaper.
Click to expand...
But this all applies to the FX8320 too.
 
I have serious doubts about AMDs capability to put out a competitive cpu to intel at the top end these days.

I hope I'm wrong, as we desperately need some competition to up the ante and drop prices.

Intel have been resting on their laurels and price gouging for far too long now.

Hence I'm still sat on a 5 year old 2500k....
 
I think it should be easier for AMD to close the gap as Intel has always had a big process node advantage and as the nodes get smaller so does Intel’s advantage. Also, Intel has put most of the improvements into the iGPU which is still way behind AMD’s. I’m not saying AMD’s new CPU will be better than Intel’s but the gap should be reduced.
 
AMD needs to increase margins on their chips - the problem is the current chips are large for their market prices,and Intel is reducing die size so they can maintain prices and not drop margins. The FX8320 and all the PD chips are like 300MM2 in size - if AMD were even selling chips that were half the size,and the same performance they would probably be making some money from the chips I suspect.

Also,BTW, the Intel USD price has not changed that much over the last few years IIRC.
 
Martini1991 said:
I don't ultimately understand what you're getting at.
AMD products do sell, obviously. :s
Zen will sell too.
Click to expand...

Obviously very few people buy PCs with AMD APUs and CPUs nowdays and it now been 2 months since Bristol Ridge available for sale from OEMs. I found HP have HP EliteDesk 705 G3 Microtower PC with Bristol Ridge APU in stocks from HP US and Australia online stores but I found it very odd that nobody bought systems with Bristol Ridge since launch and very struggled to find any customers who bought it and no reviews from customers anywhere and OCUK forum included. :eek:

Also very struggled to find any retail AM4 A320 and B350 motherboards! Been checked all motherboards websites and all did not have AM4 listed yet.

https://www.techpowerup.com/227401/two-gigabyte-socket-am4-motherboards-pictured

Look like AM4 motherboards for Bristol Ridge could hit retail at the end of year, probably end of Dec.

If here are no retail AM4 X370 motherboards in January 2017 then you cant buy and use Zen without it.

Absolutely shambled! :o
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
Obviously very few people buy PCs with AMD APUs and CPUs nowdays and it now been 2 months since Bristol Ridge available for sale from OEMs. I found HP have HP EliteDesk 705 G3 Microtower PC with Bristol Ridge APU in stocks from HP US and Australia online stores but I found it very odd that nobody bought systems with Bristol Ridge since launch and very struggled to find any customers who bought it and no reviews from customers anywhere and OCUK forum included. :eek:

Also very struggled to find any retail AM4 A320 and B350 motherboards! Been checked all motherboards websites and all did not have AM4 listed yet.

https://www.techpowerup.com/227401/two-gigabyte-socket-am4-motherboards-pictured

Look like AM4 motherboards for Bristol Ridge could hit retail at the end of year, probably end of Dec.

If here are no retail AM4 X370 motherboards in January 2017 then you cant buy and use Zen without it.

Absolutely shambled! :o
Click to expand...

AMD specifically said OEMs first, retail later, they were very specific on that point. So based on that I am not surprised I am not seeing AM4 boards listed yet or Bristol Ridge APUs come to that.

As I understand it AMD are also targeting a complete line up at launch so from the high end all the way down to their cheapest APU, which from a marketing perspective makes sense, especially if they are going for market share, which they have said they are.

Bristol Ridge still uses Excavator core, not sure how many people are interested in it other than the fact CPUs and APUs will now fit in the same socket i.e. AM4.

Most people on this thread are waiting on Summit Ridge i.e. the Zen microarchitecture and AMD have been clear that is end of year start of 2017.

So I am not sure how this is a shambles when it hasn't even been released yet.

Before anybody says anything I am not an AMD fanboi, been running a 2600K since they were released. But I do like some competition and choice in the CPU market and hopefully Zen finally gives us that :)
 
Skilty said:
Bristol Ridge still uses Excavator core, not sure how many people are interested in it other than the fact CPUs and APUs will now fit in the same socket i.e. AM4.

Most people on this thread are waiting on Summit Ridge i.e. the Zen microarchitecture and AMD have been clear that is end of year start of 2017.

So I am not sure how this is a shambles when it hasn't even been released yet.
Click to expand...

I can't see Bristol Ridge being anything ground breaking but I remain hopeful for my Console On a Chip power.
 
SiDeards73 said:
I read an article the other day that said the Zen APU would give Xbox One / PS4 level of performance. If so thats a pretty decent leap in performance over the current one i would think?
Click to expand...

That's not Zen.
Also. Xbox one or ps4? They're very different in gpu performance.
Because of the bandwidth issue. AMD's APU has been frankly stagnate for a while.
 
zoomee said:
Wot and intel has been groundbreaking?
More like milking us since sandybridge days....
Click to expand...

I didn't mention Intel.
AMD could improve their IGP portion 10 fold, but because of the bandwidth, it wouldn't result in anywhere near that performance boost. They've reached a brick wall presently.
 
Martini1991 said:
I didn't mention Intel.
AMD could improve their IGP portion 10 fold, but because of the bandwidth, it wouldn't result in anywhere near that performance boost. They've reached a brick wall presently.
Click to expand...

Hopefully they'll have the sense to offer 4-8GB of HBM2 with a Zen/Vega APU.

Although I worry it might take till HBM3 for that, since HBM3 is supposed to be substantially cheaper than HBM2.

AMD's APUs might fare ok with 3600+ DDR4 for now. Particularly if they were quad-channel, but I imagine again cost will limit it to dual-channel.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom