Intels lead in gaming was larger when the 10th gen released over zen 2 than zen 3 is now over Intel and yet they cut prices so not sure why AMD thinks such a small win should carry a high premium especially at the 6 and 8 core range which are the go to gaming CPUs.
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5600x can't £300 here surely? If it's a £50 increase it's £250, which puts it at the same price point as a 3700x, they've been fluctuating around that price for the past few months.
I've seen a 3900 for £325, i'll likely go with that as my patience has worn very thin with AMD on this. The delay for this announcement and additional wait for them to actually release, plus a disappointing price mark up, nah, AMD have every right to do what they're doing but in a global pandemic these companies should be ashamed of themselves.
I've seen a 3900 for £325, i'll likely go with that as my patience has worn very thin with AMD on this. The delay for this announcement and additional wait for them to actually release, plus a disappointing price mark up, nah, AMD have every right to do what they're doing but in a global pandemic these companies should be ashamed of themselves.
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https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cc-am.html
It's £290 and that's before the traditional OCUK day 1 ripoff tax and scarcity gouge kicks in.
The 3600 is their best selling CPU and is slower than Intel for gaming, so why did it sell well if it slower? Because some people want vfm, others bought the 9600k/10600k for more because the wanted 'gaming' performance no matter the cost. Will the 3600 now stop selling, or will people who want that option for vfm still buy it, and then if they really want the extra gaming performance buy the 5600X.
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The 3600 is still £200...nearly double what I paid for my 2600 16 months ago. Is it twice as fast? is it ****. Now the same chip in the stack is £300?
I'm really glad now I built my new PC last year instead of waiting another year, it's ridiculous now.
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I picked up the 3600 for value at launch. I wont be changing it for a while but when I do it will be when the better ones drop in price and if necessary change of mobo off the B450. Needing tons of cores for gaming is not necessary, only worth it if your production heavy and rendering/ripping lots.
AMD even added an X on the end to make it look better value but it's clearly the 3600 replacement as the TDP shows as much.
if you could get a 3600 for £145 or less as it was early this year, that is 1/2 the price of 5600x for what? 20% less performance? Could put the extra £145 on a better gpu or just save it for the next upgrade/build. 5600x is really just terrible value.
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Exactly, the pricing here is awful. I won't buy anything that exceeds the value I put on it, no matter what. The value with Ryzen was in its early iterations, that value has long gone now. Glad I took advantage of it while it was there.
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I think thats just how it is. Remember I always struggled justifying Intel personal builds as the bracket I wanted were always overpriced. They got away with it as they were 'intel' just either suck it up or wait for offers.
Occasionally I just bought an AMD equivalent as it was just cheaper, but that typically came with the performance offset which I could typically handle given the price spent.
Occasionally I just bought an AMD equivalent as it was just cheaper, but that typically came with the performance offset which I could typically handle given the price spent.
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Agreed. All the people justifying price increases have learnt absolutely nothing from what happened with GPUs. People argued to the end the GPU price increases were fine,then years later when the damage was done suddenly went all quiet. Funny how many of the same attacked Intel and Nvidia for jacking up pricing and segmenting things.
Be ashamed of all the enthusiasts who are defending this like they defended GPU price rises. Also many rallied against Intel and Nvidia price rises too so double standards. It's people like them who are the main reason companies think they can do such things.
To put it in context AMD Reddit which has some of the most pro AMD people out there has been very negative about the price rises. A number here are defending it, which says volumes. This is is basically a Turing level move. Jack prices up so you can deplete older stock at full price - many Ryzen CPUs such as the Ryzen 5 3600 have increased in price(not the 6C Core i5 CPUs). Then maintain the new generation at a higher price until the competition makes a move.
Basically, unless AMD is trying some Jebaiting pricing moves,you will need to wait until Rocketlake S for them to alter pricing significantly.
It is and cunning how the Ryzen 5 3600 is now nearly £200 and now nearly £40 more than the Intel Core i5 10400F. In the end pretty much everyone I know who was considering Zen3 have decided to hang onto what they have,or to consider something else.
Let's see if AMD says they were Jebaiting everyone and reduces the price in some way,and say it was their plan all along.
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Wouldnt surprise me if companies like AMD end up hiring the marketers and strategists of the previous dominance reign by IBM, Intel, M$ and now nvidia.
You are spotting trends and tactics these companies went through to milk milk milk, it ends up stagnating the technology where big leaps only come sparsely instead of yearly. You might be onto something there though @CAT-THE-FIFTH with AMD might just be maneuvering to be able to drop price at the flip of a switch and it almost resolves itself instantly. These big corporations have become masters of it, then when its too late they are forced to 'break up' which makes virtually no difference and the market is permanently damaged.
You are spotting trends and tactics these companies went through to milk milk milk, it ends up stagnating the technology where big leaps only come sparsely instead of yearly. You might be onto something there though @CAT-THE-FIFTH with AMD might just be maneuvering to be able to drop price at the flip of a switch and it almost resolves itself instantly. These big corporations have become masters of it, then when its too late they are forced to 'break up' which makes virtually no difference and the market is permanently damaged.
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@Th0nt You are right on the money. Many of the marketing strategists and money men seem to jump from jump from one company to another.
Yep. Makes a next gen console look like hilariously good value if all DIY components go into rinse mode.
Market segmentation, even white goods manufacturers do it. Same internals, different box and warranty to sell to wealthier customers. It's something of a science these days. Just play them at their own game, bit of research and patience required though. Buy what you need not what you want, wait for sales and offers, buy previous models etc. Leave emotion at the door, they all sell on emotion never on specs.
Nothing like a good 50, 100 or 1000+ page forum thread to drive these companies to increase prices based on the anticipation of overclocking nerds with stacks of cash burning a hole in their pocket to get a 20% increase in fps for £1500
This is what I do with running shoes. Each year (around this time), new "2020" running shoe models come out. Basically nearly identical to the previous years. They come in around £120. And last years model drop to £70. So I just stay 1 year behind. I still get a nice new pair every year, and feel I am keeping up with the tech, but I am only paying £70. While others are paying nearly double that.