AMD’s New High Performance Processor Cores Coming Sometime in 2015 – Giving Up on Modular Architectu

mmj_uk · 13 May 2014 at 18:36

All of the people who recommended that users buy 8 core AMD FX's rather than the consistently faster Intel quad cores on the premise that more cores was the future and it would come good were also wrong.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 May 2014 at 18:42

mmj_uk said:
All of the people who recommended that users buy 8 core AMD FX's rather than the consistently faster Intel quad cores on the premise that more cores was the future and it would come good were also wrong.

You mean like when the FX6300 and FX8320 are Core i3 money?? I don't see anyone recommending an FX9590,FX9370 or even an FX8350(at £130),when they can get a much cheaper FX8320,unless they like benchmarking.

Not sure what your rant is trying to achieve TBH??

2013 · 13 May 2014 at 20:01

I agree, For the money AMD is very good, which is a key reason i keep going back.

Yamahahahahaha · 13 May 2014 at 21:01

humbug said:
As you said, Multi-threading, even 64Bit Computing to an extent never materialised, it never will, Bulldozer was conceived under the impression that we would be very multi-threaded at this point. AMD got that very wrong, partly because AMD did nothing to push their own technology to the fore.

I don't know about the 64-bit thing, I regularly use programs that need more than 4GB of memory allocated to them. Plus Ramdisk applications are a total boon for transient workloads. I guess in the consumer space needs haven't arisen, but from prosumer and up it definitely has. AMD took a gamble in a space that Intel were fairly knowledgable of given their robust experience with compilers... Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

humbug said:
GPGPU computing both locally and remotely i dare say is the future, having learnt a hard lesson they are pushing that, HSA is starting to appear in productivity software, entertainment software and even web browsers.

GPGPU computing is something Intel can do, but, to an open standard (which is crucial) AMD do it extremely well, they are years ahead of Intel, for all of Intel's Money they are still not going to find it easy to catch up let alone push AMD of their perch.

GPGPU are big margins at the moment for Nvidia, AMD and Intel want a piece of that. Xeon Phi is interesting for a lot of reasons but Intel haven't made it compelling yet.

In the desktop space, AMD and Nvidia are trading blows and Intel is slowly getting involved with their graphics stuff. The issue right now is memory bandwidth, hopefully something memristors will help with when they eventually appear. Until then discrete video cards will remain outside of Intel's domain.

Ragnarok · 18 May 2014 at 10:17

Martini1991 said:
Lets hope it's true and not FUD.

I'd settle for AMD's next gen cpu being semi FUD, at least it would be a step in the right direction.

With a bit of luck, it'll be win win for consumers, we might see intel forced to break out the big guns and drop prices too.

The only real thing AMD CPU's have had going for them is price and integrated graphics at the mo.

8 Pack · 18 May 2014 at 11:04

AMD are great value against i3 and i5. IGPU is also great. In real world stuff for budget to mid range gaming they are an obvious route to go. Especially when holding budget back for high end graphics which will affect the gaming experience much more.

OLDPHART · 19 May 2014 at 09:00

Would love to see AMD come back in style, cut my teeth on AMD builds.

My last was the Barton and its still going the last time l heard as its just used for browsing and chatting online.

Boomstick777 · 19 May 2014 at 18:20

AMD looking at high end FX chip replacements within two years:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/305/305092.htm

humbug · 19 May 2014 at 18:29

Boomstick777 said:
AMD looking at high end FX chip replacements within two years:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/305/305092.htm

8, AMD FX series processors is relatively less active, what planning for the future?

Lienhard: Last year we introduced a Piledriver (hammers) architecture, and achieved good market performance, there are about 30% growth, Kaveri also used Steamroller updates (excavator) architecture. FX Series of high-performance market positioning in the future will, within two years you will definitely see an update. - The so-called new x86 core really is a high performance to fight another day.

Get it right this time, AMD.

Boomstick777 · 19 May 2014 at 19:13

humbug said:
Get it right this time, AMD.

I think they will. Until then we are spoilt for choice on the Intel side. Haswell, Haswell -E, upcoming Broadwell and Skylake next year. Those will do nicely until AMD comes back Rocky style. I'll ditch my Intel setup in a heartbeat for a decent AMD setup. Would like a reason to support the underdog again.

pmc25 · 20 May 2014 at 01:10

Most interesting piece of news is that they're adding ARM IP to their future x86 chips, beyond just the Trustzone stuff.

They're finally following Intel and replacing the entire (in-house) uncore with an ARM one, as Intel have done with every x86 CPU since the 'Core' chips began.

Not many people seem to realise, but Intel are ARM's biggest licensee and revenue stream, and have been for years, despite Intel abandoning ARM SoCs, rubbishing them publicly at every opportunity and attempting (unsuccessfully) to compete with ARM's SoCs.

humbug · 20 May 2014 at 01:12

pmc25 said:
Most interesting piece of news is that they're adding ARM IP to their future x86 chips, beyond just the Trustzone stuff.

They're finally following Intel and replacing the entire (in-house) uncore with an ARM one, as Intel have done with every x86 CPU since the 'Core' chips began.

Not many people seem to realise, but Intel are ARM's biggest licensee and revenue stream, and have been for years, despite Intel abandoning ARM SoCs, rubbishing them publicly at every opportunity and attempting (unsuccessfully) to compete with ARM's SoCs.

Thats a fascinating thing i didn't know.

Zeed · 20 May 2014 at 10:37

After long awaited much hypoed Faildozer i dont expect much. If it does not match Haswell IPCs then i dont care how many cores it got ext.

2013 · 20 May 2014 at 10:44

I cant wait.

humbug · 20 May 2014 at 15:51

The Tek 0114: Is AMD Working On An Insane New x86 CPU?

A few minutes of some interesting conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsdCh5zP5MA&feature=youtu.be&t=19m22s

Martini1991 · 20 May 2014 at 15:53

Think they could do without starting the hype this early. Builds anticipation, allows Intel to milk us quickly while preparing to offer competition.

Launching it out of nowhere in 2 years time would have probably been more preferable, could have taken Intel by surprise and gained some hype through fact

2013 · 20 May 2014 at 15:55

Martini1991 said:
Think they could do without starting the hype this early. Builds anticipation, allows Intel to milk us quickly while preparing to offer competition.

Launching it out of nowhere in 2 years time would have probably been more preferable, could have taken Intel by surprise and gained some hype through fact

I agree with you here.

Boomstick777 · 20 May 2014 at 17:42

Martini1991 said:
Think they could do without starting the hype this early. Builds anticipation, allows Intel to milk us quickly while preparing to offer competition.

Launching it out of nowhere in 2 years time would have probably been more preferable, could have taken Intel by surprise and gained some hype through fact

^^ This.

cheesyboy · 21 May 2014 at 00:11

I don't think AMD were intending on disclosing the new x86 high performance CPU quite yet. From what the guys said on the TechReport podcast, it was basically Jim Keller, being a CPU architect rather than a marketing monkey, who just got a little free and easy with talking about upcoming projects during AMD's Core Innovation update.

opethdisciple · 21 May 2014 at 00:53

Two years is too long tho. They will have nothing new at all in that time?