Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?

AmorIn or AmorOut?

  • AmorIn

    Votes: 66 57.9%

  • AmorOut

    Votes: 48 42.1%
  • Total voters
    114
Calpol said:
Genuine question is why?
Ok he's got his preferred game plan which he believed was the way to
a) compete with the top sides in the league and Europe
b) play an exciting attacking and possession dominant style that would be true to the traditions of the club

I always felt the system talk was overdone and actually what he was doing was trying to assert himself over some lazy players by using the 3-4-3 framework to hold them to some structure and instill the work rate required to be a top side. This team did not press consistently under ten Hag. They had very little shape, were routinely played through and humbled by teams like Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace. We were a "moments" team. I feel he broke that pattern of behaviour and was starting to get players working as hard off the ball as on it. Yesterday was a good example - last season we would have lost that game. Leeds would have outfought us, out run us and likely would have won. I don't underestimate how hard it is to get a group of players to graft out a result when they have been used to losing or occasionally rescued by Bruno Fernandes.

If Amorim had compromised before getting the effort levels competitive then he knew he would have lost authority and that's critical at a club like United.

Regardless, Ineos have effectively now wasted 14 months and need to hope that they get some sort of bounce in the short term and not a run of 4 defeats - Burnley, Brighton, City, Arsenal.
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I do understand what you are saying, but the harsh reality is that Amorim made a mess of things himself too. After more than a year in charge he will go down as one of the worst managers in English top flight football history, purely in terms of points and achievements. His repeated confused messaging to both fans and players played out on the pitch, and he seemed bizarrely dogmatic and determined to go down with the ship (his unorthodox and unproven system).

Not only that, he openly fell out with numerous players, and yes OK they may be bad eggs, or maybe he just mismanaged some of them - we can't really know.

I've felt that throughout his time here, he's got most calls wrong and has been consistently sinking without trace. All the other things can be true too, the board are hopeless, the players aren't good enough - but none of that absolves the manager of his responsibility too.

I don't necessarily believe this myself, but I think you could make an argument that he was a charming snake oil salesman all along and has pulled a fast one on Ratcliffe (who seemed to love him, rather strangely).

He blew it, time and time again.
 
Robbo said:
I do understand what you are saying, but the harsh reality is that Amorim made a mess of things himself too. After more than a year in charge he will go down as one of the worst managers in English top flight football history, purely in terms of points and achievements. His repeated confused messaging to both fans and players played out on the pitch, and he seemed bizarrely dogmatic and determined to go down with the ship (his unorthodox and unproven system).

Not only that, he openly fell out with numerous players, and yes OK they may be bad eggs, or maybe he just mismanaged some of them - we can't really know.

I've felt that throughout his time here, he's got most calls wrong and has been consistently sinking without trace. All the other things can be true too, the board are hopeless, the players aren't good enough - but none of that absolves the manager of his responsibility too.

I don't necessarily believe this myself, but I think you could make an argument that he was a charming snake oil salesman all along and has pulled a fast one on Ratcliffe (who seemed to love him, rather strangely).

He blew it, time and time again.
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Despite all that it's really Onana that cost him his job imo. If he hadn't made so many errors there would not have been as much pressure on the entire club.
 
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sigma said:
Despite all that it's really Onana that cost him his job imo. If he hadn't made so many errors there would not have been as much pressure on the entire club.
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As much as I think Onana is an absolute horror of a goalkeeper, at least for us, and as much as I really liked amorim and his public persona, there is surely a lot more to it than that.

The most recent downfall is epitomised by being beaten at home by an everton side that came into the game with a poor record, that imploded in the first 10 mins resulting in an in-house sening off. That was a utd team that still had all the AFCON players and bruno started too...and mount played. That match day squad man for man, should be capable of running riot over that everton team that day, let alone one that was down to 10 men for most of the match. As i recall he continued to play the same system after the sending off.

The wolves game was awful. West Ham, pretty awful.

To name just 3 in my recent memory.

And I have tickets for the Derby Sat week !
 
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tangey said:
As much as I think Onana is an absolute horror of a goalkeeper, at least for us, and as much as I really liked amorim and his public persona, there is surely a lot more to it than that.

The most recent downfall is epitomised by being beaten at home by an everton side that came into the game with a poor record, that imploded in the first 10 mins resulting in an in-house sening off. That was a utd team that still had all the AFCON players and bruno started too...and mount played. That match day squad man for man, should be capable of running riot over that everton team that day, let alone one that was down to 10 men for most of the match. As i recall he continued to play the same system after the sending off.

The wolves game was awful. West Ham, pretty awful.

To name just 3 in my recent memory.

And I have tickets for the Derby Sat week !
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I don't think he's immune from criticism, and he did some very odd things, but I still think things would be very different if Onana and Bayandir had not made so many errors. It's no surprise that things have improved (even though we were poor against the teams you mentioned) since Lammens joined, not without issues as you say but more points on the board and still in the run for more trophies and the stress levels wouldn't have been so high. Didn't Onana error in the final last year too?

Plenty of teams are awful this season too, that's why it's all so close.
 
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Robbo said:
I do understand what you are saying, but the harsh reality is that Amorim made a mess of things himself too. After more than a year in charge he will go down as one of the worst managers in English top flight football history, purely in terms of points and achievements. His repeated confused messaging to both fans and players played out on the pitch, and he seemed bizarrely dogmatic and determined to go down with the ship (his unorthodox and unproven system).

Not only that, he openly fell out with numerous players, and yes OK they may be bad eggs, or maybe he just mismanaged some of them - we can't really know.

I've felt that throughout his time here, he's got most calls wrong and has been consistently sinking without trace. All the other things can be true too, the board are hopeless, the players aren't good enough - but none of that absolves the manager of his responsibility too.

I don't necessarily believe this myself, but I think you could make an argument that he was a charming snake oil salesman all along and has pulled a fast one on Ratcliffe (who seemed to love him, rather strangely).

He blew it, time and time again.
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Good post which also could have been (and probably was) written at the end of last season, although you're breaking ranks by saying out loud the bit in bold.
 
been a rough day .... everyone needs an arm round their shoulder now an again?
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In fairness I think he was given more time than he deserved, there's some pretty shocking stats around win %/points per game, going out to fourth tier competition and it wouldn't surprise me if there isn't a stat about back to back wins.

He's not entirely to blame for where we are, but he was also part of the problem. The 3-4-3 formation isn't going to work if you don't have quality wing backs or legs in the midfield - not having those players isn't blame at his door step. However, you still have to do what you can with the hand you've been dealt and he stubbornly stuck.

I found some of his antics/emotional outburst just odd. Ranging from cowering during the Grimsby game to obsessively substituting your CBs even when you're chasing a game. The cherry on the cake is saying you'll happily walk, which was never true considering the pay off you'll get it sacked. Just seemed emotionally unstable and he's 40 years old...

I can't think of many games where we genuinely played well? First game vs Arsenal, first half against Brighton, Chelsea and Bournemouth?
 
Thought I had posted but what a shambles decision tbh I think we should have beat Wolves at least, but we got players out injured and at Afcon its not been a bad season so far we are up to 6th certainly not as bad as last season haha.

Just here to post there one man for the job

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Its Xavick! and he unbeaten in the role
 
booyaka said:
Paid ETH - £10.4 million to him and his staff after his sacking
Paid Sporting £9.25 million to get Amorim (release clause)
Now paying circa £9.75 million 14 months later...for his sacking

Yet Wilcox and Berrada still getting to call the shots.... Crazy stuff.
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