I mean they could put moon in goal do a better job than your keepers do
Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?
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So they do, I wasn’t aware of it as I don’t really have much interest in the machinations of foreign teams. Seems to be a more continental model that’s being increasingly adopted here.
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Ole to take job as caretaker. Sneak into the Champions League in 5th place or some technicality. Gets the job permanently in the summer.
Next season bottom 4 in December, sacked by Christmas.
The fanbase is vulnerable and the comforting notion of Ole returning seems to resonate well. I love Ole. As a player he was incredible. His United goals reel on Youtube is amazing. Even moreso when you consider how he battled Cole, Yorke, Sheringham for a start. His time as manager was relatively successful but part of that is because we have fallen so far with ten Hag and Amorim. He had a decent team around him with McKenna and Carrick ( forgetting shorts Phelan) and his initial run before getting the role was incredible. Particularly away from home.
However, the team began to unravel and the egos were out of control. Don't forget when Rangnick arrived what his assessment was - he tried to get a team to press out of possession and they wouldn't do it. Then ten Hag spent 18 months trying to get them to do it. Amorim has also spent 14 months trying to do it and only recently have we seen the fight and application required. We were progressively falling behind every other team in the basics that allowed the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Brentford (all tiny clubs) to hand out lessons to United.
Vibes is fine but not if you want to challenge at the elite end. Ole is lovely human. He's steely but can he be an ******** when required? his managerial record is not that great. The bombsquad was forming while he was in charge and it took 3 years to deal with it. You can argue that a short term lift is all that is required, perhaps to secure a European spot but I worry that vibes lets some of these players off the hook and makes the job harder for the next permanent appointment.
However, the team began to unravel and the egos were out of control. Don't forget when Rangnick arrived what his assessment was - he tried to get a team to press out of possession and they wouldn't do it. Then ten Hag spent 18 months trying to get them to do it. Amorim has also spent 14 months trying to do it and only recently have we seen the fight and application required. We were progressively falling behind every other team in the basics that allowed the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Brentford (all tiny clubs) to hand out lessons to United.
Vibes is fine but not if you want to challenge at the elite end. Ole is lovely human. He's steely but can he be an ******** when required? his managerial record is not that great. The bombsquad was forming while he was in charge and it took 3 years to deal with it. You can argue that a short term lift is all that is required, perhaps to secure a European spot but I worry that vibes lets some of these players off the hook and makes the job harder for the next permanent appointment.
My thoughts exactly.
Love the guy and his commitment to the club but don’t feel it will help us in the long run and may do more harm than good and interim managers never work for such long periods. And this time round as I mentioned earlier, he doesn’t have McKenna or Carrick around him to do the actual coaching.
Personally would rather they had Fletcher for a couple of extra games while actually getting their first choice manager in (ideal world).
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I hear what you are saying but I don't feel like we have that group of players any more. The ones that thought they had made it once they got to United or hit the first time. Who had smoke blown up their arses for a few good performances. I can't see us getting any manager that we would want long term at this point in the season so I don't see him as a bad option.
Who would that be though? In the summer you can start to think about turning heads from some of the sides with good managers you want. At this point in the season? Very very unlikely.
Iraola or Glasner could probably be pinched early. Believe they both have their contracts up in the summer anyway. But as I say, it was definitely ‘ideal world’.
Or, Ole could turn out to the the second coming of baby Jesus (Ferguson) and I’m proven wrong and all is well in the world!
Or, Ole could turn out to the the second coming of baby Jesus (Ferguson) and I’m proven wrong and all is well in the world!
I think you could argue it's best to wait even if we could get someone like Glasner or Iraola now. Although the World Cup won't help, having a preseason and getting a couple of decent midfielders in could make a world of difference. We'd be able to potentially start strongly rather than having a wobbly few months with lots of unnecessary scrutiny. I actually do think we have a fairly decent set of players now and it's nothing like the old days of Pogba and Martial.
The obvious issue with Ole being caretaker again is that ideally, we need Carrick and Fletcher alongside him to run the coaching side of things. Regardless, I think all of them will focus on playing to the strengths of the players, rather than shoehorning them into a messy system like Amorim has been doing.
The obvious issue with Ole being caretaker again is that ideally, we need Carrick and Fletcher alongside him to run the coaching side of things. Regardless, I think all of them will focus on playing to the strengths of the players, rather than shoehorning them into a messy system like Amorim has been doing.
If it was me in charge I'd be putting Ole in until the end of the season on a fixed term contract. Get the fans onside and bring a bit of feelgood to the club. That middle pack of teams in the league are separated by only 3 points after half the games played. A side can go 5th or 12th between now and the weekend alone. Theres not much between them and any of them could end up snatching 5th. Presuming England get a 5th CL spot then to a club like Man Utd you may as well finish 12th as finish 6th.
Come the summer there are a few managers available that won't need 10 mil to prise from their current jobs. I think Iraola will be the one but it makes zero sense to get him now and thrust him straight in with no preparation, he'll likely lose his first couple of games and you'll be right back where you were when Amorim took over and he'll be chasing his tail looking for results while the press hound him.
Come the summer there are a few managers available that won't need 10 mil to prise from their current jobs. I think Iraola will be the one but it makes zero sense to get him now and thrust him straight in with no preparation, he'll likely lose his first couple of games and you'll be right back where you were when Amorim took over and he'll be chasing his tail looking for results while the press hound him.
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You heard it here first MUFC brothers, the big lad in town once Brasil lift the world cup.
I honestly can't believe how many on here want Ole back after how it ended last time. He's not a good manager as proved before, during and after his time at United. If you're going to take a massive gamble surely there are better options to try.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!
What a circus tbh but no surprise there given recent years...
I don't think he is a good manager but I also think options are limited at this point and his first spell when he was caretaker at United was great. Now I firmly believe that a large part of that was that he was taking over from Mourinho who coached the side well but they were miserable by the end so he essentially took a well drilled team and had them playing with a positive mindset but I think this group of players is decent and with the right direction should be able to compete for top 4 this season as long as the other teams around us continue their patchy form.
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He's clearly a good manager. He's one of the few managers to have beaten Pep more than been beaten by him. You don't do that if you're a bad manager.
Hmmm his record wasn't too bad but it ended poorly. A lot is made of 'managers'. what will define his success if he does return as caretaker is the people he surrounds himself with and where we finish. I would say taking an unknown from elsewhere who doesn't know the squad or the club is a bigger risk than Solskjaer at this moment in time.
Actually I have to say I agree with this when thinking about it.
It sounds like they're also considering Carrick, but Ole is the frontrunner at present.
While he's clearly not the best manager around, he's done the job before reasonably well. OK yes it ended badly, but you can say that for almost all managers who have ever been sacked. On reflection I think he's been our best manager post-SAF in terms of entertainment and a general positivity around the club. Finishing 2nd above Klopp's Liverpool is not to be dismissed either.
We have a good squad and just need someone to get them playing a bit better, a complete overhaul can't happen now. Perhaps Carrick would make a better tactician, but his experience is limited.
I will say that it does make INEOS look a bit clueless, Ole and Carrick are the lazy options and it doesn't seem like they had a plan for Amorim leaving.
While he's clearly not the best manager around, he's done the job before reasonably well. OK yes it ended badly, but you can say that for almost all managers who have ever been sacked. On reflection I think he's been our best manager post-SAF in terms of entertainment and a general positivity around the club. Finishing 2nd above Klopp's Liverpool is not to be dismissed either.
We have a good squad and just need someone to get them playing a bit better, a complete overhaul can't happen now. Perhaps Carrick would make a better tactician, but his experience is limited.
I will say that it does make INEOS look a bit clueless, Ole and Carrick are the lazy options and it doesn't seem like they had a plan for Amorim leaving.
Honestly I think there are an absolutely tiny proportion of managers that are truly elite and are successful almost everywhere they go. Even the likes of Ancellotti have black marks against them. Some managers do well under tight restrictions. Some only work with huge budgets. Some are good at motivating players but cannot impose a play style on their teams. Some are brilliant in smaller teams with lower expectations and a constant churn of players.
Honestly, how many managers would you bet any serious amount of money on to do well in any job? In the last decade I would only put that money on Klopp. Pep has never had to work under any real pressure, constraints or without having the best side in the league or at least easily one of the best sides in the league. Plenty of other managers have been successful in big jobs for a few seasons before it falls apart.
Kompany has gone to Bayern and they are doing very well but do I think hes a great manager? Nope. I think that if he came back and managed a mid table PL team they would be exactly as good as before.
Simeone has found a niche at AM but I don't think he would work for many teams. Conte works well for a few years usually but eventually falls out with people. Emery failed at Arsenal but seems to thrive at teams a level down but again, I think they are massively over performing this season and will revert to something approaching their level either this season or next.
I don't think any manager is a guarantee of anything and managers have very much become a short term gamble for most teams and you replace them once they have grown stale or the tide has turned against them for whatever reason.
I don't think you can plan for these things mid-season very well. Top managers are rarely out of a job sitting on their hands waiting for a mid-season appointment and even decent managers usually aren't wanting to come in as a limited time caretaker. They will want a proper contract for multiple years.
How many sides sack a manager mid-season and get in a "good" manager just until the summer? Must be a very very small number.