Android or Apple?

But in a market with 15x the number of apps it's far harder to find a niche and market yourself to actually get any sales at all, effectively you could argue the market is saturated already...

Also isn't the install base of Apple and RIM about the same? so the argument of a higher number of users could be incorrect?
 
On topic for a post.

Buy a cheap iPad 1st gen, it'll keep most of it's value for the next 9 months, and if something better comes along you can sell it without losing out but still have use of the purchased digital media on iPhone or whatever. :-)
 
But in a market with 15x the number of apps it's far harder to find a niche and market yourself to actually get any sales at all, effectively you could argue the market is saturated already...
who brings in more money considering (pulling figures out of rear) say top 1000 apps brings in 30% of income.

As I said the chart is complete BS and means nothing. the fact of the matter is apple will be the platform of choice to devlop in, you can get a larger market share, is deployed in far more countries and people can grab a much larger profit.


On topic for a post.

Buy a cheap iPad 1st gen, it'll keep most of it's value for the next 9 months, and if something better comes along you can sell it without losing out but still have use of the purchased digital media on iPhone or whatever. :-)

By which point I'll of spent hundreds on media and apps which aren't transferable to android.

Also many of the top apps are free and made by the big companies. These are developed on apple first and foremost for a reason.

Then you can look at price of apps, Blackberry is massively expensive, this is fine for their core consumer (business people) as they don;t pay. It is not a model that can work main stream.
 
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I think you're misreading the table. The figures stated in the table aren't per unit, they're per application. I'd rather make $9000 per application I write than $6000.

The average application on Blackberry World makes more money for its developer than the average application on the Apple App Store or Android Marketplace. It's as simple as that.

Firstly, the figures show revenue, which isn't the same thing as profit. To know how much money developers are actually making, we need to know more about development costs.

Secondly, I'm going to guess that BB apps generate more money on average because a lot of them are business/corporate apps - thus they may have a high unit price, or companies may buy lots of copies of them.

A tablet just isn't a business product, however many stories you hear about doctors or airline pilots using them. It's a device used for consuming content, not for generating it; it's not a productivity tool. If BB apps are business-focused, then 90% of them won't translate well to the tablet market.

What sells well on tablets is casual games and news consumption apps and video apps - and these markets aren't anywhere near as developed on BB as they are on iOS and Android. Revenue figures for BB smartphone apps aren't really applicable to tablets.
 
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But doesn't take into account free apps,

Here's the data on free apps.

26% of Blackberry apps are free, 28% of iOS apps are free & 57% of Android apps are free.

So, let's take those apps out of the equation...

Average revenue per application published (roughly):
iOS - $8,000
Android - $3,000
Blackberry - $11,300

Blackberry still looks pretty attractive to develop for, doesn't it? The Blackberry version of my app is likely to make more than three times as much as the Android version.

demography (blackburry is primarily business orientated so price of apps does not matter, try pushing that into the larger market and it wont stand),

Business people play games and use all kinds of apps. How many times have you seen that BB breakout clone being played on public transport?

The top 5 apps for Blackberry really doesn't look any different from any other platform. I see social networking, IM and games in there.

break down for the top selling apps or anything else.

It's an average. The top 25 apps on iOS will outsell anything on Blackberry but that's an tiny, tiny percentage of the apps published.

It is a silly chart made by Blackberry.

What makes you think that the chart was made by RIM? That's not what the source info at the bottom of the image says.
 
who brings in more money considering (pulling figures out of rear) say top 1000 apps brings in 30% of income.

As I said the chart is complete BS and means nothing. the fact of the matter is apple will be the platform of choice to devlop in, you can get a larger market share, is deployed in far more countries and people can grab a much larger profit.

This is going to be my last post derailing your topic for now, but I can't see the benefit of comparing the top 0.4% of one market with the top 5.5% of another...

Add in that to be in the top 1000 apps in one market means 'beating' 274,000 apps, whilst in another it means beating 17,000.

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics and all that, but using arbitrary numbers to prove your point against a graph that whilst not without it's flaws actually uses solid numbers is a bit pointless.

Ultimately it doesn't matter, in terms of Playbook vs iPad there's only one winner, plus you've already decided on Apple anyway so who cares :p
 
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you aren't getting it are you, average means nothing. That does not relate to potential profit. it does not relate to demography and who pays the bills and what they are likely to get.
As you yourself said the top apps will generate hudely more profit from teh apple platform. It has 11times more turnover of which to make profit from.

Take a step back relaise how long eash OS has been going. then look at big coporations, many of which are FREE and see which platform they have been devloped for. Why is this suddenly going to change?#

And if you read the page it talks about many of the errors I say but ignores them.

it’s a little hard to determine the spread of revenue per app

Does this data mean you will make 26% or 41% more on an equivalent BlackBerry app than iPhone? No, of course not. Different apps appeal to different demographics and you might make more than that difference on BlackBerry if your app is appealing to the BlackBerry demographics or you may make less than on iPhone.
 
By which point I'll of spent hundreds on media and apps which aren't transferable to android.

Quick heads up on iTunes films, it's just like its music store of 5 years ago (low quality and heavy DRM for the early adaptors)
Eventually DRM will be relaxed and quality will be get a huge bump, wonder if they'll offer cheeky upgrades like for better music? So you'll be able to play your films on all devices in a few years. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Oh yeah, developers aren't limited to one platform either, it's relatively easy/cheap to port from one to the other. (now they have the same architecture, stable format)
Also the playbook has WebWorks (TAT developed?) All a developer needs is HTML5 and CSS skills to create an app, just like Adobe AIR (something Apple keeps harking on about?)
 
Add in that to be in the top 1000 apps in one market means 'beating' 274,000 apps, whilst in another it means beating 17,000.

Because this is what large corporation go after. Small developers are nearly always offering games or silly apps which are not important.

many top corporations apps are free. It is these apps that are important. Any one can make games and silly apps to fill a void. Only a corporation itself can make an app for there information.
It's teh same reason why total number of apps is pointless. you could have 2 million, but if you are missing the top ones, then it makes the device pretty pointless.

The little developers makes no difference and this is the problem with BB. The big corporations aren't developing BB apps.

And again lets look at price, BB minimum price is $2.99 that just wont float with a large market.
In fact, the average price for apps is more than three times higher than the one for similar apps in the App Store and Android Market, which is sort of unbelievable. There’s not a single category where the average price of an app is lower than its equivalent on the latter two application storefronts, and the more serious, business-related tools are definitely much more expensive

Oh yeah, developers aren't limited to one platform either
True but rarely happens of yet and they've had years to do it, so why is it going to suddenly change over the next few months.
 
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Simple question:

If writing apps for BlackBerry is a more profitable enterprise than writing apps for iOS, then why isn't everybody doing it? Why does your own table show that the App Store generates 10x more revenue than the BB store - when the market share of BB and iOS devices is about the same? I'm not going to quibble with your average revenue figures - but perhaps the BB store is inherently more limited in terms of which kinds of apps make money.

Whatever the reason, the platform is just not capturing developer interest in the same way that iOS is. What makes you think that will change with the PlayBook? And if you were a developer, what would you do? Would you develop for the hugely popular platform with a large pre-existing install base? Or would you take a punt on an unknown quantity?
 
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Well reading though this thread it is clear that nothing suits your requirements, so don't buy anything and pretend they don't exist until something comes along that does. You don't want to spend money on digital media that may not be transferable, you don't want to use physical media, you don't want to use Android as it has no means of legal downloading, and finally you don't want to 'borrow' content until something suitable comes along.

In short pal, you're screwed so face it and move along.
 
In short pal, you're screwed so face it and move along.

This is true, which is why I've picked one system which ticks more boxes right now. I can't wait any longer, it would be silly to do so as well (as I could be waiting ages, but anything will help the boredom of work/hotel). All it means I will now be tied to apple and that will be that.
 
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I pretty much feel them same. I dont have anything against Apple nor am I an Android fanboy but I just cant get over the lots of square icons all over the place. I have an iPod Touch and its great as an MP3 player but I dont want a large screen with crap all over it, and I dont want to have to get a load of apps to view web pages when it should do it all as any decent fully featured browser should do.

Unfortunately all the Android tablets look quite poor against the iPad2 in one way or another.

I entirely agree - altho I do come from a mild dislike of Apple... actually quite a large dislike of Apple. Certainly to the point of refusing to purchase one of their products despite it being the best option out there at the moment however I don't dislike them irrationally to the point of buying an Android to spite them.

I bought my Desire simply because it was the best phone out there, and in my opinion there hasn't been one that is significantly better since. iPhone 4 was a suckers purchase much as has been any subsequent Android device. iP4 is not a game changer, but then neither are any of the early Honeycomb devices. IMO Of course.

I want the following.

1. A good web browser (Yes with Flash - Apple have this so painfully and utterly wrong it's unbelievable)
2. A good e-mail client
3. A decent hi res screen - preferably 800px high or more - vertical realestate is important in my view
4. Full size SD Slot - none of this micro SD tosh...
5. STORAGE - 64GB Minimum. I'm a photographer. I want to be able to put my SD cards into my tablet and immediately bring up my photos.
6. GPS, Wifi and the ability to create secure VPN sessions to my office virtual environment so that I can floor walk and adjust rights and user access, whatever may arise on the fly.

Essentially I want this to be the device that it should be from a usability perspective - i.e. a laptop in a tablet format not the broken limited thing that Apple say it should be. iPad is pretty but it's far too limited, unfortunately Android is no better - if anything it's worse because no-one has stepped up to the plate hardware wise.
 
I entirely agree - altho I do come from a mild dislike of Apple... actually quite a large dislike of Apple. Certainly to the point of refusing to purchase one of their products despite it being the best option out there at the moment however I don't dislike them irrationally to the point of buying an Android to spite them.

I bought my Desire simply because it was the best phone out there, and in my opinion there hasn't been one that is significantly better since. iPhone 4 was a suckers purchase much as has been any subsequent Android device. iP4 is not a game changer, but then neither are any of the early Honeycomb devices. IMO Of course.

I want the following.

1. A good web browser (Yes with Flash - Apple have this so painfully and utterly wrong it's unbelievable)
2. A good e-mail client
3. A decent hi res screen - preferably 800px high or more - vertical realestate is important in my view
4. Full size SD Slot - none of this micro SD tosh...
5. STORAGE - 64GB Minimum. I'm a photographer. I want to be able to put my SD cards into my tablet and immediately bring up my photos.
6. GPS, Wifi and the ability to create secure VPN sessions to my office virtual environment so that I can floor walk and adjust rights and user access, whatever may arise on the fly.

Essentially I want this to be the device that it should be from a usability perspective - i.e. a laptop in a tablet format not the broken limited thing that Apple say it should be. iPad is pretty but it's far too limited, unfortunately Android is no better - if anything it's worse because no-one has stepped up to the plate hardware wise.

I was in a similar position, however with a fully rational dislike of Apple, having torn my hair out trying to support Macs running Ethertalk on a PC network in the early 90s.

That didn't however stop me from buying the best handset available at the time (not doing so would seem to be the very definition of irrational), which was the ip4, not the Desire - a decision I've been very happy with.

Same applies for buying a tablet today. The ipad2 is miles ahead in terms of broad user appeal. The Android manufacturers are making the mistake of trying to appeal to the small hardcore geek market, when the vast majority of users don't want to know about processor speeds, they just want something that looks great, feels nice and that lets them slob on the couch browsing Facebook for 10hrs before it needs to be charged. Which is why Apple will continue to dominate the market for the forseeable future.

The BB Playbook might do well in the enterprise, where orgs have got existing BES installations, but given the abortion that was RIM's first foray into touchscreen phones, I'd imagine their first gen tablet has a high likelihood of being poo as well.
 
I was in a similar position, however with a fully rational dislike of Apple, having torn my hair out trying to support Macs running Ethertalk on a PC network in the early 90s.

That didn't however stop me from buying the best handset available at the time (not doing so would seem to be the very definition of irrational), which was the ip4, not the Desire - a decision I've been very happy with.

Heh we may have to agree to disagree on that one.

Same applies for buying a tablet today. The ipad2 is miles ahead in terms of broad user appeal. The Android manufacturers are making the mistake of trying to appeal to the small hardcore geek market, when the vast majority of users don't want to know about processor speeds, they just want something that looks great, feels nice and that lets them slob on the couch browsing Facebook for 10hrs before it needs to be charged. Which is why Apple will continue to dominate the market for the forseeable future.

The BB Playbook might do well in the enterprise, where orgs have got existing BES installations, but given the abortion that was RIM's first foray into touchscreen phones, I'd imagine their first gen tablet has a high likelihood of being poo as well.

I don't disagree on the iPad2 being the best of the bunch at the moment - it's a beautiful piece of hardware with a seriously intuitive UI but it's surrounded by the Apple infrastructure and it has to be paired with iTunes. It has no peripheral capability beyond that which Apple dictates and has limited functionality beyond what Apple dictates. Those two things for me at least hold me back from buying one.

I agree that right now Android is a geek niche but much like the handsets they will rapidly move out and I really think that the precedent is already there for Apple falling behind in market share because of sitting on their laurals, that being of the heavy reduction in iPhone market dominance. I think you'll see the same with tablets mainly because Apples structure doesn't allow for rapid response to technology advance whereas with the Android devices there is always going to be something new coming out.
 
Simple question:

If writing apps for BlackBerry is a more profitable enterprise than writing apps for iOS, then why isn't everybody doing it? Why does your own table show that the App Store generates 10x more revenue than the BB store - when the market share of BB and iOS devices is about the same? I'm not going to quibble with your average revenue figures - but perhaps the BB store is inherently more limited in terms of which kinds of apps make money.

I've worked in the smartphone industry for 7 years and there's been an interesting shift since the iPhone exploded onto the scene. Many companies no longer view apps as a revenue generating exercise, they're using apps as a marketing tool instead.

Many conversations I have with potential clients these days go something like this:

<Marketing person> We want you to create an app for us!
<Serious engineering person> OK, what do you want it to do?
<Marketing person> Ummm... not sure... but we need one!

iOS has the largest app store. Companies want to be seen to be riding the latest trends. There's a lot of "me too" going on.

The main reasons why everyone isn't writing Blackberry apps is:

1) Size of app store more important than revenue
2) It's not seen as "cool" by marketing people
3) Blackberry's app store is relatively new
4) On a technical level, Blackberry's APIs are pretty limited

This will change as the market and the platform mature. It'll almost definitely never catch up with iOS but it'll have a very healthy market.

Whatever the reason, the platform is just not capturing developer interest in the same way that iOS is. What makes you think that will change with the PlayBook? And if you were a developer, what would you do? Would you develop for the hugely popular platform with a large pre-existing install base? Or would you take a punt on an unknown quantity?

The PlayBook is based on QNX. It'll give developers a much richer set of APIs. People will be interested in developing for it for that reason alone.

Let's not forget that the newest smartphone platform on the block is Windows Phone 7, and it's already hit the 10,000 app mark. It's also the fastest growing app store at the moment.

As a developer, I'd much rather be a big fish in a small pond. If I can get first mover advantage then I'll grab it with both hands. The Apple app store has shown that if you can get into the top seller list, you tend to stay there. A minimum app price also stops other developers ripping off my ideas and undercutting me.

I also think that we'll see a lot more cross platform tools as tablets mature. Writing apps for multiple platforms is going to get a lot easier.

(Oh dear, my posts have all gone a bit drunkenmaster. :p)
 
Yeah I got one of those way back in the day when the iPod Photo first came out - it's not really a viable device for me as I shoot in RAW and there is no easy way to view the photos once they're on the device...
Ahh, I guess RAW throws a bit of a spanner in the works.

If you shoot RAW+JPG it may work if you only wanted to view your photo's on the iPad but even then it's not ideal...

EDIT: I think any tablet may struggle to render RAW files, regardless of the OS...
 
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Ahh, I guess RAW throws a bit of a spanner in the works.

If you shoot RAW+JPG it may work if you only wanted to view your photo's on the iPad but even then it's not ideal...

EDIT: I think any tablet may struggle to render RAW files, regardless of the OS...

You may be right - likely a bit of a pipe dream - as is having storage above 64GB...
 
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