Another 9800 x3d mainboard thread

MoridinUK · Wednesday at 07:30

Sorry, I'm lost in options and a little frustrated, the prices seem so similar.

I don't want to spend more than £220 really and I want the board to support the following, in order of priority for me.

1) 9800 x3d (and potentially a small overclock)
2) 6000 cl30 ram 32 gb
3) MC PCI-e 5 x 1 (my current card is 6800 xt (and yeah I know will be the bottle neck on this cpu) but I probably wont update to a pci-e 5 card but nice to have the option
4) PCI-E 5 x16 (gpu) x1
5) Fast lan/wifi (really wifi is more useful but i don't think my router supports anything flash and as I'm stuck on 67mb internet speeds anything faster than 1gb lan seems a waste but would be nice to future proof)

I really want to avoid the pci lane sharing, I've no real idea how to read a spec to avoid them and unsure which mainboard come with M2 heat sinks! Want to avoid buying an MC with one just to find my GPU can't fit.

mATX or ATX is fine either way!

Am I making a mistake not caring for usb 4? I don't have much use for usb at the moment?

I'm thinking b850 tomahawk as it is on offer and brings me close to my budget costs, but I'm still not sure I wouldn't be better off with a b650 and saving some money. Any reason to avoid it? (Other than being on pre-order I wish I could ask for the order to be sent when it's all available!)

MoridinUK · Wednesday at 08:28

Anyone know what happens if I make an order and can't use the parts to check they work until the item on pre-order arrives?

mickyflinn · Wednesday at 12:05

It's unclear how pre order warranty starts so would call Overclockers to confirm but once you have the other parts the timer has started

Most boards share lanes or disabled slots to run all m2 just need to see if I t suits your needs.

Alternative option Asrock B850 Riptide WiFi but again pre order as are most b850 at Overclockers

MoridinUK · Wednesday at 23:01

I just want 1 m2 gen 5 and 1 pciex16 (4 or preferable 5) but it's so hard to know which steal from the gpu lane and which dont.

Why can't I filter on boards that have m.2 PCIe 5 slot! lol

I'm trying to figure out is this board gives me a PCIe 5 x16 slot and a M.2 PCIe5 x4 slot?

Tetras · Wednesday at 23:15

MoridinUK said:
I just want 1 m2 gen 5 and 1 pciex16 (4 or preferable 5) but it's so hard to know which steal from the gpu lane and which dont

This (lane stealing from the GPU) mainly occurs on X870/X870E motherboards, because they're using 4 of the CPU lanes for the USB4 ports, which leaves only 4 spare PCIE 5.0 lanes from the CPU for the M.2 slot(s).

That means if you want 2x PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slots, it will have to steal the lanes for the second.

MoridinUK said:
Am I making a mistake not caring for usb 4? I don't have much use for usb at the moment?

For me? No, because I almost certainly won't buy anything that uses/needs it. I don't really saturate USB 3.x

MoridinUK said:
it is on offer and brings me close to my budget costs, but I'm still not sure I wouldn't be better off with a b650 and saving some money

The main benefit of buying the B850 Tomahawk you mentioned is that it has PCI-E 5.0 graphics, whereas B650 boards do not. It also has an extra M.2 slot versus the B650 Tomahawk.

The USB and sound jack config is different too, if you look at the rear panel.

In regards to performance, a 5090 loses a couple of percent in a PCI-E 4.0 motherboard, so it is certainly not required.

MoridinUK said:
Anyone know what happens if I make an order and can't use the parts to check they work until the item on pre-order arrives?

I think your warranty would always be taken from the purchase receipt's date for the manufacturer, but I'm not sure if OCUK would instead honour the date of delivery.

Jamin280672 · Wednesday at 23:45

MoridinUK said:
I just want 1 m2 gen 5 and 1 pciex16 (4 or preferable 5) but it's so hard to know which steal from the gpu lane and which dont.

Why can't I filter on boards that have m.2 PCIe 5 slot! lol

I'm trying to figure out is this board gives me a PCIe 5 x16 slot and a M.2 PCIe5 x4 slot?

Asus B850i has everything you want, but it will cost you £100 more, PCI Gen5 x16 slot, 2 x Gen 5 M.2 Slots, and WiFi 7 with a 2.5gb LAN port, no lane sharing in sight, no USB4, I just swapped my Mrs board for one, after her B650-i randomly stopped powering on one day, (currently in RMA status) but so far so good for the new board, all the reviews are saying its better than the higher end ASUS X870-i.

MoridinUK · Thursday at 17:49

Thank you both!

MoridinUK · Thursday at 17:57

So I think it's this:
My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £479.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance 32GB EXPO (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: MEM-CRS-02786) = £89.99
1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive (CT1000T700SSD3) (SKU: HD-07C-CR) = £114.94

with either this:

[*] 1 x MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-03993) = £235.00 And reuse my Bequiet dark rock pro 5
Or
[*] 1 x Asrock B850M Pro-A WiFi (Socket AM5) DDR5 mATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASR-04010) = £145.00 And pick up an AIO like [*] 1 x Arctic Liquid Freezer III ARGB High Performance CPU Water Cooler - 360mm (SKU: COO-ARC-01992) = £89.98

Yes I have both a mATX case or an mid tower ATX it could go in! I feel the aio should really go in the atx case though...

Jamin280672 · Thursday at 19:23

MoridinUK said:
So I think it's this:
My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £479.99

1 x Corsair Vengeance 32GB EXPO (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: MEM-CRS-02786) = £89.99

1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive (CT1000T700SSD3) (SKU: HD-07C-CR) = £114.94

with either this:

[*] 1 x MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-03993) = £235.00 And reuse my Bequiet dark rock pro 5
Or
[*] 1 x Asrock B850M Pro-A WiFi (Socket AM5) DDR5 mATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASR-04010) = £145.00 And pick up an AIO like [*] 1 x Arctic Liquid Freezer III ARGB High Performance CPU Water Cooler - 360mm (SKU: COO-ARC-01992) = £89.98

Yes I have both a mATX case or an mid tower ATX it could go in! I feel the aio should really go in the atx case though...

Pretty solid build, personally id defo lean more towards the B850 Tomahawk, its much more feature rich than the ASRock board, 5g LAN, WIFI 7, 2 Gen5 nvme slots vs 2.5g LAN, WiFi 6E and 1 Gen 5 slot on the ASRock board and you are going to want a heatsink of some sort on a Gen5 nvme drive, they get hot hot hot.

MoridinUK · Thursday at 22:45

My friend had a mainboard that seemed to come with a heat sink on the nvme, I didn't want to get the model with one, for fear it would be too tall and I could fit the gpu or something. I guess I'm worried for nothing?

So this one:
My basket at OcUK:

1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive with Heatsink (CT1000T700SSD5) (SKU: HD-07F-CR) = £122.99

Jamin280672 · Friday at 06:47

MoridinUK said:
My friend had a mainboard that seemed to come with a heat sink on the nvme, I didn't want to get the model with one, for fear it would be too tall and I could fit the gpu or something. I guess I'm worried for nothing?

So this one:
My basket at OcUK:

1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive with Heatsink (CT1000T700SSD5) (SKU: HD-07F-CR) = £122.99

Ive never had a motherboard heatsink interfere with a GPU.

Sparx · Friday at 07:43

MoridinUK said:
My friend had a mainboard that seemed to come with a heat sink on the nvme, I didn't want to get the model with one, for fear it would be too tall and I could fit the gpu or something. I guess I'm worried for nothing?

So this one:
My basket at OcUK:

1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive with Heatsink (CT1000T700SSD5) (SKU: HD-07F-CR) = £122.99

Mobo manufacturers wouldn’t make a NVMe heatsink that hit the GPU.

That would be a major design flaw lol.

MoridinUK · Friday at 07:57

Sparx said:
Mobo manufacturers wouldn’t make a NVMe heatsink that hit the GPU.

That would be a major design flaw lol.

I expect not, so I need to buy a separate NVMe heatsink from the mobo manufacturer? I kinda hoped they came with the mainboard.

I clearly need to do more research, all I've seen are NVMe's coming with heatsinks on them, or not.

Right so the mainboard comes with a heatsink and warns about making sure any thridparty heat sink will fit without causing damage, not sure how to work that out. I've no idea how much space would be left between the gpu and the heatsink I intend to put on it. I guess I am better off with a bigger third party heatsink, especially if I'm using air cooling on the cpu as there will be a lot of hot air to move about?

freddie64 · Friday at 08:13

A tall NVME heatsink can stop the Arctic liquid Freezer III fitting.

If you have to get a T700, get this one and use the motherboard cooling plate and you should be fine. The MSI is ok on the compatible list.

https://support.arctic.de/lf3-compatibility

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Crucial T700 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive (CT1000T700SSD3) (SKU: HD-07C-CR) = £114.95

Total: £118.94 (includes delivery: £3.99)

MoridinUK · Friday at 08:33

And another silly mistake, the case says max cpu cooler hieght 160mm but my cpu height is actually 168mm how it fits happily in a mATX case but is too big for a midi ATX case I do not know but I'm now quite upset. So I think I will need the AIO.

MoridinUK · Friday at 08:38

freddie64 said:
A tall NVME heatsink can stop the Arctic liquid Freezer III fitting.

If you have to get a T700, get this one and use the motherboard cooling plate and you should be fine. The MSI is ok on the compatible list.

Is there a better choice than the T700?

eeii · Friday at 08:52

Those Gen 5 nvme drives get silly hot and need a lot of cooling.

freddie64 · Friday at 08:52

What ATX case? The Freezer III radiator is massive.

This air cooler should be ok, have added RGB and non RGB.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 Evo ARGB CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02720) = £21.95
1 x Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 Evo Dark CPU Cooler - 120 mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02667) = £19.99

Total: £45.94 (includes delivery: £3.99)

MoridinUK said:
Is there a better choice than the T700?

Sorry, i should have said if you have to get gen 5. Nothing wrong with the T700 (maybe T705)

MoridinUK · Friday at 08:58

freddie64 said:
What ATX case? The Freezer III radiator is massive.

This air cooler should be ok, have added RGB and non RGB.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 Evo ARGB CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02720) = £21.95

1 x Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 Evo Dark CPU Cooler - 120 mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02667) = £19.99

Total: £45.94 (includes delivery: £3.99)

Sorry, i should have said if you have to get gen 5. Nothing wrong with the T700 (maybe T705)

I probably dont _have_ to have a gen 5 but... t500 saves me some cash but seems so very much slower not that I'd actually notice much really...
Thank you for the cooler options.

The case is a Lian li Lancool 215 OR a very old cosmos 300 full tower

freddie64 · Friday at 13:20

If you do go gen 4 consider this one. 2TB and 2000TBW compared to 1200TBW of the T500, all for £10 more than the T700 1TB 600TBW.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Kingston FURY Renegade 2TB PCI-e 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SFYRS/2000G) (SKU: STO-KNG-01330) = £124.99

Total: £128.99 (includes delivery: £3.99)