Another display backend besides XORG?

It's more likely to be the video driver rather than Xorg itself. If there was a generic problem with Xorg then there it would be a big deal and there would be a lot more on it everywhere online, (there may be a big thread on this on the Ubuntu forums but theres nothing on the OpenSUSE or RHEL mailing lists for example).

From other threads you appear to be using the proprietary Nvidia driver which traditionally has gone through times where it hasn't been particularly stable and caused issues. An issue between this and the kernel release which Ubuntu is using is much more likely to be the case assuming that the graphics subsystem is the source of the hangs.

If you did find another display backend then the chances are it wouldn't have the accelerated functionality you have come to expect.
 
memyselfandi said:
It's more likely to be the video driver rather than Xorg itself. If there was a generic problem with Xorg then there it would be a big deal and there would be a lot more on it everywhere online, (there may be a big thread on this on the Ubuntu forums but theres nothing on the OpenSUSE or RHEL mailing lists for example).

From other threads you appear to be using the proprietary Nvidia driver which traditionally has gone through times where it hasn't been particularly stable and caused issues. An issue between this and the kernel release which Ubuntu is using is much more likely to be the case assuming that the graphics subsystem is the source of the hangs.

If you did find another display backend then the chances are it wouldn't have the accelerated functionality you have come to expect.
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It has been happening with no vid. driver.
 
Well, if you are running X then you are running some form of graphics driver and if you are not running the Nvidia closed source driver then is your card to new for the open source driver?

Have you patched the system up to date?

Is there anything in your X logs?

It still doesn't answer the point that there is no such problems on other major distributions. If it's an issue with the version of Xorg that Ubuntu are shipping then they should have released updated patched packages if it is affecting that many people. Have you tried a different distribution, e.g. OpenSUSE 11.3?
 
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Edward78 said:
For your reading pleasure the word on the street is...

Linux fanatics
For your reading pleasure the word on the street is...

Linux fanatics
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-245752.html
http://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?t=22489
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=108065
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=61245

BSD guys also
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=18858

This is rather seemingly like an Xorg issue...
http://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?t=22489
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=108065
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=61245

BSD guys also
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=18858

This is rather seemingly like an Xorg issue...
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Well from all those links you seem to have most of them twice so despite that mass you only have five links there.

And glancing through them there is just as much to indicate that it's a kernel issue than an X issue seeing as in some cases this system has even become inaccessible over the network at the same time. Also at one point someone said that they switched to runlevel 3 and still had a hang after several hours.

Just because X freezes/crashes does not mean that the root cause is that software, it just means that it is effected by the issue.

There is more indication in those threads that the issue is down to the video drivers, especially the closed source, possibly in the way that they are using DRI.

I'll point out again, I'm on the OpenSUSE mailing list, which is a very high traffic list, and I'm not seeing this problem being discussed.
 
I had a lot of freezes without the vid. driver installed. Plus how odd is it that it is happening with 2 completely different kernels, the common thing between the 2 OSs is XORG.
 
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The old alternative from 6 years ago http://www.y-windows.org/index.html (never got far but worth a plug)

Edward78 said:
I had a lot of freezes without the vid. driver installed. Plus how odd is it that it is happening with 2 completely different kernels, the common thing between the 2 OSs is XORG.
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Not odd at all, just implicating its going to be an X problem that has to be sorted in X and not in the distro/kernel level...
 
Edward78 said:
I had a lot of freezes without the vid. driver installed. Plus how odd is it that it is happening with 2 completely different kernels, the common thing between the 2 OSs is XORG.
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Well you certainly seem convinced that the problem lies with X and I really can't be bothered to argue the point further. Good luck.
 
memyselfandi said:
Well you certainly seem convinced that the problem lies with X and I really can't be bothered to argue the point further. Good luck.
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I am not convinced, just think so.. If it is a kernel bug, it being in Freebsds kernel (I heard PC-BSD freezes also) it is odd timing. What do you think it is? I have Mint 10 now, not Ubuntu, all fine so far, but someone who has mint on the ubuntu forums said updating mint makes the freezes come back. I just want to use Linux to surf, in windows had to worry about getting a virus, spybot, malware, etc. I just wanted a secure OS to surf in that is all, no time to hunt bugs, I am no dev. Sorry a bit of a rant.
 
windows has been known to freeze with certain hardware\driver configurations as well you know :-)

also.. you are taking a single symptom (system freeze) and are assuming that every instance of this symptom has the same cause. This is pretty unlikely.
 
I would go back to using 10.4 LTS really. it's been out sometime now and has had a "running in" period to iron out a lot of the initial problems.

I dual boot it on my lappy and have had no problems at all with it (It's got a dedicated Nvidia graphics card). I surf daily, e mail and it has not once frozen on me. I even plug my 3G mobile dongle in, no fuss... it's reconised straight away and connected. Under win7 it's another story.
 
Xvesa would be a serious step down from mint 10. Even if you could get it to work it would not be pretty and would have zero acceleration. If mint 10 works then leave it alone.
 
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Xvesa would be a serious step down from mint 10. Even if you could get it to work it would not be pretty and would have zero acceleration. If mint 10 works then leave it alone.
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Zero 3D acceleration, other than that it's so much easier and faster to use. It looks exactly the same, i don't know what you're on about there. It's the WM and DE that control how it looks.
 
Edward78 said:
I just want to use Linux to surf, in windows had to worry about getting a virus, spybot, malware, etc. I just wanted a secure OS to surf in that is all
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It is not difficult to make Windows virtually malware-proof. Security alone should not be a reason to switch to another OS.

1. UAC
2. Standard User Account
3. Software Restriction Policy
4. Disable Autorun / Autoplay
5. Run IE / Firefox / Opera e.t.c. in Protected Mode.
 
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