Another non punishment for Ferguson

Castiel said:
Given that Ferguson's comments prior to the game were actually borne out by Atkinson's performance during the game I would say that he had the perfect defence.

That of Atkinson's record.
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I'm guessing you mean Fergie's comments after the game but even so, Atkinson's performance could only be used as evidence that he's not up to his job not that he wasn't a fair ref.
Tom84 said:
So you think that Fergie was telling the world that he thinks a premier league ref is bent? :o
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Not quite as directly as that but yes. When you say the ref isn't fair and that he expected it from him, you're either saying the ref is pro-Chelsea or anti-Utd.

There's no issue with him saying that if he could back it up. He couldn't and/or didn't back it up though

Tom84 said:
Why wouldn't he stand by his comments? If he feels the fair ref comments were understood but totally stands by his point that Atkinson is not a strong ref why should he back down? The FA aren't going to lesser his punishment because he says sorry.
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Read back through what was said Tom. I said that imo, his only defense was to claim that what he said was in the heat of the moment and he didn't mean it (which you replied to). The 'heat of the moment' excuse can't be used if he's publicly stood by his comments several days later.

As above, I have no issue whatsoever in Fergie standing by his comments, it's up to him to prove what he said was reasonable.

Tom84 said:
Regarding Webb he gets the big games because like it or not he's viewed as the countries best official. For the same ref who's decisions cost Utd the same game last season to be in charge of the same fixture again and to cost us the game again is something the FA should be looking at not what an angry manager said in the heat of the moment.
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My Webb comment was a joke but his record at OT is just as questionable as Atkinson's with Chelsea. Lets not start a whole new debate :)
 
Fergie...above the law or so it seems lol:p...meh hes always mouthing off about something or another...which sometimes i feel he does have the right to do especially when a ref gets a decision so blatantly wrong that even my blind grandmother could see it was wrong:p....same with Wenger, although in Wengers case i wish he wouldnt say stuff...just learn to keep shut really as it just makes him look like an idiot...its not like anything really gets sorted ie the refs and their poor decisions etc.
 
I don't mind the managers constantly highlighting bad ref decisions to be honest. It's not a big deal and it's something that needs to be done. If they can't get basic, obvious decisions right then a change of system is clearly needed.

To be honest, hearing an angry manager ranks at about 1% as bad as some decisions I've witnessed recently, the Everton 'goal' at the Emirates, the Rooney elbow etc. etc.
 
BaZ87 said:
Not quite as directly as that but yes. When you say the ref isn't fair and that he expected it from him, you're either saying the ref is pro-Chelsea or anti-Utd.
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Well if that's the case and the FA have the same view then surely a 3 match touch line ban isn't the answer then? Surely some big drawn out investigation needs to be done and for Fergie to prove that the ref is bent and issue a public apology if he cant.

As it is though I highly doubt Fergie intended anyone to take his comments that way so if he's appealed to the FA with that and they've banned him anyway then they've effectively doing him for speaking in the heat of the moment!

BaZ87 said:
Read back through what was said Tom. I said that imo, his only defense was to claim that what he said was in the heat of the moment and he didn't mean it (which you replied to). The 'heat of the moment' excuse can't be used if he's publicly stood by his comments several days later.
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But as above if he's only being done for saying that he didn't think the ref was strong enough for a game like UTD/Chelsea then I dont see any problem sticking by that comment that's not questioning the ref as a person just his ability at his job. It's only if he's genuinely being punished for insinuating that the ref took a back hander that any apology should be made.

All this depends on exactly what comments he's being done for.
 
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Fergie wont appeal the touchline ban which means it starts this weekend against Bolton which will mean he's on the touchline for the Arsenal game - smart move tbh
 
Tom84 said:
Well if that's the case and the FA have the same view then surely a 3 match touch line ban isn't the answer then? Surely some big drawn out investigation needs to be done and for Fergie to prove that the ref is bent and issue a public apology if he cant.

As it is though I highly doubt Fergie intended anyone to take his comments that way so if he's appealed to the FA with that and they've banned him anyway then they've effectively doing him for speaking in the heat of the moment!
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It feels like we're going around in circles now Tom.

Why would an investigation be needed? As far as I know, no official complaint has been lodged against Atkinson nor have have the people that assess the officials raised concerns about his handling of Chelsea games.

Instead of saying Fergie didn't intend for his comments to come across as questioning Atkinson's integrity, can you come up with another possible explanation for saying he's not a fair ref and that he expected the worst? I honestly can't. By claiming Atkinson isn't a fair ref, he's clearly questioned his integrity. If it was a slip of the tongue or he didn't mean it then come out and apologise for saying it and accept your charge.

And for what feels like the 100th time, Fergie backed up his comments several days later. How on earth can he use the heat of the moment excuse?

Tom84 said:
But as above if he's only being done for saying that he didn't think the ref was strong enough for a game like UTD/Chelsea then I dont see any problem sticking by that comment that's not questioning the ref as a person just his ability at his job. It's only if he's genuinely being punished for insinuating that the ref took a back hander that any apology should be made.

All this depends on exactly what comments he's being done for.
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And if he's been charged for scratching his backside during the interview that would be harsh too. He wasn't charged for that though. He was charged for giving an interview where he claimed the ref wasn't fair, wasn't strong and that he expected it.
 
To reiterate what Alex Ferguson said about his punishment:

"It is disappointing. It is the only industry you can't tell the truth in."

He is right. If the referee's didn't make such glaring errors all the time then no-one would have reason to criticise them.
 
BaZ87 said:
It feels like we're going around in circles now Tom.

Why would an investigation be needed?
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So the FA suspect someone has publicly suggested that one of their refs is biased or bent and you think a 3 match touch line ban is adequate punishment?

BaZ87 said:
Instead of saying Fergie didn't intend for his comments to come across as questioning Atkinson's integrity, can you come up with another possible explanation for saying he's not a fair ref and that he expected the worst? I honestly can't. By claiming Atkinson isn't a fair ref, he's clearly questioned his integrity. If it was a slip of the tongue or he didn't mean it then come out and apologise for saying it and accept your charge.

And for what feels like the 100th time, Fergie backed up his comments several days later. How on earth can he use the heat of the moment excuse?
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We're only going around in circles because you keep banging on about Fergie saying the ref wasn't fair, which he quickly added to by saying and I quote "or a strong referee anyway - and we didn't get that." now to me if he didn't mean to say the first part because it was in the heat of the moment but stands by what else he said why would he apologise? The rest of what he said isn't questioning anyones integrity.

End of the day if the FA took offence to him saying that Atkinson wasn't a fair ref then I'm convinced someone publicly claiming that one of their officials was biased or bent would be met with much harsher treatment like asking for evidence to back up the accusations - claiming an official is a cheat/biased/bent is tantamount to match fixing accusations imo.

Fact is I highly doubt Fergie meant to question anyones integrity but standing by the fact that he felt Atkinson wasn't the right official for the game and thought as much before the game I dont see the problem with tbh.
 
Tom84 said:
So the FA suspect someone has publicly suggested that one of their refs is biased or bent and you think a 3 match touch line ban is adequate punishment?
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I think the electric chair would be a suitable punishment but it's not my decision. The FA gave him a 3 game touch line ban though :)

Tom84 said:
We're only going around in circles because you keep banging on about Fergie saying the ref wasn't fair.
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Yes Tom because that's what he said :)

I can't be bothered going around in circles any more, I'm getting dizzy.
 
Lol at the man u fans thinking it was ok to do what fergie did! Imagine if all managers said that the ref for their game was biased - the premier league would quickly becoming a laughing stock and refs would lose all respect.

It's ok to criticise a ref for making wrong decisions but if everyone starts complaining that a ref preferred one team over the other then things would quickly get out of hand.
 
Half these controversial managers comments are to distract attention from the players. The higher the managers profile, like Mourinho and Capello and Fergie and Wenger, the more effective it is.
 
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AGD said:
Imagine if all managers said that the ref for their game was biased - the premier league would quickly becoming a laughing stock and refs would lose all respect.

It's ok to criticise a ref for making wrong decisions but if everyone starts complaining that a ref preferred one team over the other then things would quickly get out of hand.
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he didnt say that though - his addition as highlighted above by Tom was said on purpose so people like you didnt get the wrong end of what he was saying

The system for looking into Ref's performances needs to be changed imo

In a perfect world (with a lot of time) all other managers to rate the other ref's of games they are not involved with, just for " ref education" purposes and not for getting players banned "after the fact"

I would bet majority of the managers /staff watch most if not all the games anyway - for the detailed reports on other teams players etc , so it may not take a lot of additional time anyway (maybe for the smaller teams, with less staff etc, so could be unfair from that point of view)
 
I can't say that I'm shocked at the fairly lenient nature of the ban. After all, he got away with saying something completely untrue about Alan Wiley and escaped any real punishment....

If the FA want to end this nonsense about ref's decisions then they know what to do - bring in the technology that other sports have had for a while now and give the referees some help. This excuse that gets thrown around about needing it available in every level of football before it can be introduced is complete ********.
 
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