Another Rape Accusation Outrage

[Rifte]

Unfortunately the reality is such that the accused may have had some uncomfortable months (I don't think 5 hours in custody is a huge hardship personally) however the culture that women have to put up with and the behaviour they are subjected to throughout their normal day is of a much higher magnitude than being held for 5 hours and temporarily being branded as a rapist.

It is unbelievable what women have to put up with, talk to your female friends/partners about it and it's awful. The constant sexual aggression, comments, leers and frankly inappropriate behaviour women get all day, every day, needs to change. Victim blaming is rife, and the fact is many women won't report sexual assaults (and rapes) due to the stigma and the worry. Plus, the burden of proof is so high that it wouldn't be uncommon for the victim to end up being branded as a liar whilst the perpetrator walks free.

My jaw dropped literally reading this rubbish. Five hours of hardship? The personal damage of being accused a rapist is catastrophic. Careers, relationships and families are ruined on the back of allegations such as these....and if it had gone to trial?

I am all for ensuring that women should feel safe and free to operate in our society without constant sexual attention (although I am not as sure that it is prolific as you make out it is!). However if you are trying to mitigate what this immature ***** did by claiming that men 'have it coming' because they act like dogs on heat you are light years away from what I consider to be any reasoned perspective on this point.

 

[cheesyboy]

I think this is the crucial point.

She lied to her mate to make her ex boyfriend seem like a horrible *******, her mate told the police and she kinda went along with the lie until it all unravelled a few days later.

She's 18 as well. She might be an adult but she's still a silly immature teenager.

Putting her in prison for 5 years, which is the CPS sentencing guideline for a single rape offence with no aggravating factors, would be ridiculous

Seems odd to me how much outrage there is about this case, in the above circumstances .

I feel the punishment was proportionate, really.

 

[Rifte]

Seems odd to me how much outrage there is about this case, in the above circumstances .

I feel the punishment was proportionate, really.

I feel that five years would have been too much, however the case didnt fall apart because she had a twinge of morality about what she was doing and she decided to come clean. This is where I believe the anger is.

One must assume that she knew what she was doing, and she weaponized the accusation knowing the fallout that it would cause.

The question is, would she had followed this through to trial if her story had not fallen apart so quickly? My gut feeling is yes.

 

[StonedPenguin]

Unfortunately the reality is such that the accused may have had some uncomfortable months (I don't think 5 hours in custody is a huge hardship personally) however the culture that women have to put up with and the behaviour they are subjected to throughout their normal day is of a much higher magnitude than being held for 5 hours and temporarily being branded as a rapist.

It is unbelievable what women have to put up with, talk to your female friends/partners about it and it's awful. The constant sexual aggression, comments, leers and frankly inappropriate behaviour women get all day, every day, needs to change. Victim blaming is rife, and the fact is many women won't report sexual assaults (and rapes) due to the stigma and the worry. Plus, the burden of proof is so high that it wouldn't be uncommon for the victim to end up being branded as a liar whilst the perpetrator walks free.

Instead of focusing on getting those who accuse people incorrectly of rape or sexual assault (which is very few), we (as in men) should be focusing our attentions on eradicating the rape culture that is akin to an epidemic of this country and try our best to make sure women can go out and live their life without the constant sexual derived attention.

Utter nonsense.

 

[VincentHanna]

The question is, would she had followed this through to trial if her story had not fallen apart so quickly? My gut feeling is yes.

You obviously know her well enough to have a gut feeling?!

It was always going to fall apart because there was another person in the front of the car "listening to headphones" when this supposed rape occurred! I'm pretty sure I'm still aware of what's going on around me in a small car with headphones in...

 

[Rifte]

You obviously know her well enough to have a gut feeling?!

It was always going to fall apart because there was another person in the front of the car "listening to headphones" when this supposed rape occurred! I'm pretty sure I'm still aware of what's going on around me in a small car with headphones in...

No I dont know her at all, but gut feelings despite having no basis of fact dont require that.

Also in reference to the case falling apart. You believe that she went through with the accusation knowing that it would fall apart?!?!?

 

[Nasher]

Should have got a few months in prison, plus ordered to pay damages to her victim. Oh yea and loss of anonymity.

 

[Hotwired]

Should have got a few months in prison, plus ordered to pay damages to her victim. Oh yea and loss of anonymity.

Hannah Sandover, 18

Dunno how it works but there's clearly a lack of anonymity right there.

 

[Nasher]

The false accusers aren't always named though.

 

[Orionaut]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uddersfieldagainst-British-Pakistani-man.html

Call somebody a **** and you get 4 months, call somebody a Rapist and you pay £200 compo.....

 

[VincentHanna]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uddersfieldagainst-British-Pakistani-man.html

Call somebody a **** and you get 4 months, call somebody a Rapist and you pay £200 compo.....

Yes? Vile racists should be jailed.

 

[Caracus2k]

Yes? Vile racists should be jailed.

I think that the argument is that falsely accusing someone is also a vile act and it the comparison in how the state treats these two things that is the issue

And one drunk rant vs a sober, deliberate, prolonged deception causing an innocent person to be accused of and arrested for a very serious crime?

 

[VincentHanna]

Yes, but falsing accusing someone and putting them through a trial is a lot worse than the police uncovering your stupid story after a day.

 

[Caracus2k]

Yes, but falsing accusing someone and putting them through a trial is a lot worse than the police uncovering your stupid story after a day.

Well that would be worse but that wasn't the comparison now was it?

It was drunk racist rant vs a deliberate, sober, prolonged deception where an innconent person was accused and arrested for a serious offence.

 

[ubersonic]

Yes, but falsing accusing someone and putting them through a trial is a lot worse than the police uncovering your stupid story after a day.

Indeed.

Considering no prosecution was brought against the girl who falsely accused Ched Evans, sent him to prison and destroyed his career it would be a bit disproportionate if something heavy handed was done to this woman.

 

[Caracus2k]

Indeed.

Considering no prosecution was brought against the girl who falsely accused Ched Evans, sent him to prison and destroyed his career it would be a bit disproportionate if something heavy handed was done to this woman.

A not guilty verdict for a rape doesn't =/= a false accusation?

 

[ubersonic]

A not guilty verdict for a rape doesn't =/= a false accusation?

No but a false accusation that was proven false does, especially when the accuser is show to be lying and to have tried the same thing before (hence why the accused was cleared of the charges when given a fair trial). Having said that though the people in the area always knew the accusations were false even before/after the original sham trial, it's only the greater audience who fell for it.

 

[Efour]

He was 18.
He spent 5h in a police station.
Really it's not a huge deal.

She's a silly little girl, obviously not too bright.
Ruining everyone's lives over this isn't very bright.

It's not like he has a family or career to destroy.
I'd blame the media more for making it worse stirring up an event best forgotten.


This is the reality of it. Deal with it all you women haters.

 

[Caracus2k]

He was 18.
He spent 5h in a police station.
Really it's not a huge deal.

She's a silly little girl, obviously not too bright.
Ruining everyone's lives over this isn't very bright.

It's not like he has a family or career to destroy.
I'd blame the media more for making it worse stirring up an event best forgotten.


This is the reality of it. Deal with it all you women haters.

What a disgustingly misandrist view.... Being arrested for and accused of rape, having intimate samples taken...

'not a big deal'

Really.......

And you also manage to squeeze in some thinly veiled misogyny as well for bonus points!...... 'silly little girl' when reffering to an 18 year old woman who made a sober, deliberate, malicious allegation..

Stay classy now!

 

[Freddie1980]

I think that the argument is that falsely accusing someone is also a vile act and it the comparison in how the state treats these two things that is the issue

And one drunk rant vs a sober, deliberate, prolonged deception causing an innocent person to be accused of and arrested for a very serious crime?

As it stands many victims won't come forward about getting raped as they believe rightly or wrongly they won't be taken seriously or won't be believed by the police. If you start putting women in prison who lie and accuse men of these crimes it will only make the situation worse. Personally I think a suspended sentence (for first timers) and a 4 figure fine (payable to the victim) is more appropriate then actual prison time.