Another school shooting in the US

Domo said:
You don't have to conform to any way of thinking or feeling towards anything. Some people are sensitive to stuff like this and are more compassionate towards others. You don't have to have any kind of relationship with someone to understand what they're going though or put yourself in their shoes. Sometimes events like this make you realise what you have around you and how lucky yet fragile everything really is.

Just last night we watched a documentary on people and families who have lost their homes. I found that difficult to watch at times even though I don;t know any of them, nor have I had the horrible misfortune of going through it.

That didn't stop me from recognising the struggles these people face each day and empathising.
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Agreed, but sympathising with someone else's situation doesn't mean you have to go out in the street and start wailing in front of TV cameras either.
 
This paragraph from a guardian article kinda sums up what I mean.

Now Hitchens' and Calill's view has become the settled one. The conventional wisdom of 2007 holds that Diana week was an outburst of mass hysteria, an episode when the British public lost its characteristic cool and engaged in seven days of bogus sentimentality, whipped up by the media, and whose flimsiness was demonstrated when it vanished as quickly as it had appeared.


I understand this case is a bit different but I just get the feeling a large portion of people who claim to be overly emotional ( despite having no links to the victims) will probably have moved on within a day or few hours..

I mean if you really are mourning or deeply emotional you probably wouldn't feel the need to tell people on the Internet about it, intact I doubt you'd even be on the Internet !

Bare in mind I'm not talking about people who just post stuff like "it's really sad", I'm talking about OTT comments which I'm seeing on lots of news articles.
 
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estebanrey said:
Agreed, but sympathising with someone else's situation doesn't mean you have to go out in the street and start wailing in front of TV cameras either.
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I completely agree but I've not seen people wailing in front of TV cameras recently, except for those directly impacted by tragedy (parents of children blown to pieces in Syria for example) when a lapse in self control might be forgiven.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Ok, so if the problem is people with mental illnesses.

Don't you think gun control needs to be improved so mentally ill people can't get guns?, or an acceptance that if mental illness cannot be resolved/predicted in all cases restrict guns so mentally ill people can't get them from the local supermarket?.
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I do think gun control needs to be improved but the problem is that a mentally unstable person can suddenly go over the edge and easily get a gun illegally or legally.

Third Opinion said:
This is exactly the attitude that will ensure many more hundreds of men, women and so much worse toddlers will die in America to join the hundreds this year.

Intresting that people who are trying to do something to prevent, or more likely lessen the amount of massacres are described as 'nuts'.

Obviously the best thing is to do nothing and buy yourself an AK47. Another sad fact is after these events the sale of guns soars in the states it happens.
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They're nuts because they don't want anything but to ban guns.

I'm pretty sure I'm right when I say the majority of people in the US own a gun and that most of them are law abiding citizens.

I see no problem with people having a means of defending themselves. Places of importance have armed guards to protect people like the PM, the president etc. They're no better or more important than us.
 
LOL

http://www.facebook.com/masseffect?fref=ts

Very sick idea... What was the point for YOUR PROMOTION? It is obvious this Sick-O was playing YOUR GAME!
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And to think there are 1.3 million people out there being drawn in by this sick idea for a video game. God help us all!!!
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thanks makers of this game..for your darkness to our world. we need more of that.
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Good job, guys. You have blood on your hands that won't wash off.
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a guy who loves this game just shot and killed 25 people based on this game, and we think these games have no effect on people? he KILLED 18 KINDERGARTEN kids in cold blood
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Ryan Lanza, the 24 yr old that has killed 18 kindergarten children, 8 adults and his own mother, was a fan of Mass Effect. What are you and other games of your ilk doing to our society? Think on it.
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Ban this game and the people who created such sickness.
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twisted mind made worse by games like this..bring back baseball and rollerskating
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insideline said:
I understand this case is a bit different but I just get the feeling a large portion of people who claim to be overly emotional ( despite having no links to the victims) will probably have moved on within a day or few hours..
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Why is this unreasonable? Certain events can form a catalyst resulting in an outpouring of emotion.

I was a pallbearer at my cousin's funeral many years ago and I don't think I shed a tear. Yet I can watch an address by a man I've never met, describing an event which has nothing to do with me, talking about people I've never nor will ever meet and feel overwhelmed.

Similarly I've seen my mrs shed tears while watching comic relief while appearing less emotional about things closer to home.
 
Kamwah said:
I do think gun control needs to be improved but the problem is that a mentally unstable person can suddenly go over the edge and easily get a gun illegally or legally.
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I disagree. I wouldn't have a clue where to get a gun given time let alone in the heat of the moment.

I realise this would be different in a country awash with firearms but not in England. Of course there are a few 'gangsta rude boys' who claim they can get one but it's certainly not the case that in the UK your average Joe can 'easily' access a firearm at a moment's notice.


Kamwah said:
I'm pretty sure I'm right when I say the majority of people in the US own a gun and that most of them are law abiding citizens.
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You are making the same logical fallacy I touched on earlier. It is not the case that you have criminals and 'good guys' and neither can cross over into either camp at any moment.

I'd bet most of the people who commit mass gun slaughter using legally owned guns were 'responsible gun owners' prior to them going mad too.

No one can guarantee that at no point in their lives will they ever suffer a mental breakdown and use their weapon to kill innocent people.

Kamwah said:
I see no problem with people having a means of defending themselves.
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So why shouldn't they own hand grenades and rocket launchers then?

Also it's a circular argument. If a career criminal (let's say a mugger) knows his targets are likely to be armed he just buys a bigger and powerful gun than them. If he knows they are not armed he may just go with a knife or other weapon that would get the job done but not risk a mass killing spree.

He also has the advantage of having his gun drawn first. If someone pulls a gun on you and you try to pull a gun out they'll probably shoot you before you even have the chance to pull the thing out of your holster. Whereas if you just give them what they want and let the police deal with him later you've got a decent chance of surviving. What is better, having some material objects taken from you and surviving OR getting into a gun fight where you might keep your stuff and end up killing another person or (more likely) being killed yourself?

The police spend years training to be a good marksman, the idea that your common man with no professional training would, in the event of a shooting spree, turn into Magnum PI, roll over a car bonnet and take out all the bad guys with his pistol are solidly located in the world of fantasy. Most people would run like hell despite being armed than enter into a shootout.
 
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I'm not talking about england though este and I'm pretty sure the people in those kinds of circles can easily get firearms.

Well ofcourse they were responsible gun owners at one point, the problem is that the majority of these shootings have been done by people who've shown to be mentally unstable even if it is just depression. It's something that needs better treatment and in this day and age it's easy for depression to snowball to more serious illnesses.

Because hand grenades and rocket launchers aren't defensive weapons in any way?
That's not true, you don't get burglars breaking into peoples houses in america with assault rifles or smgs even though it's likely for them to have atleast a handgun.
 
doofski said:
Most of the people i work with have guns, its very easy to get the conceal carry licence too. They even have open carry in this state where people can walk around with the gun openly visible.
The hunting scene is very big here, so most people have guns for that and home protection. My father in law has various handguns, an SKS, a shotgun etc. Its too ingrained in the culture and the laws the country was based on for it to change over night.

I don't think there is a more sick crime than killing young children, this guy was a nut job to do what he did.
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Just curious is there any laws about how to keep guns? Maybe in a secure gun cabinet-
 
Domo said:
I was genuinely moved my Obama's address. I am a dad and my child is not far off the age range of the kids in that school. I have to stop myself from dwelling on how those parents who have lost children today are feeling.

What Obama did took courage - watching him pause to compose himself was very emotional.

This is just awful beyond words.
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My kids are the same ages, I was the same and must admit that I have shed a few tears tonight.
 
"Stand up comedy was one of the great American indiginous art forms of the 20th century, along with Jazz, comic books and the senseless High School massacre"

Stewart Lee.

You know you have a problem when a subject like that can become so infamous in the minds of the rest of the world it can used in a joke.
 
insideline said:
When I hear about people who have no link to the shooting crying etc it makes me think ive got no soul... Sure it's a sad/tragic event but I've got no actual personal emotions over it. I'll be going to fabric later and getting wrecked and will forget all about it and then go about tomorrow like every other day. And yet I see people on other forums with no relations to the victims saying they will be mourning the loss of life.

Am I broken or do people just have a habit of faking/talking up their emotions because its something they feel they should do after an event like this ?
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Dude, I still haven't got over princess Diana yet, you evil, evil person.
 
Evangelion said:
Natural News will blame anything on anything if it suits their ludicrously anti-scientific agenda.
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Hilarious site.

Natural News said:
Journalists are trained to ask questions, and one of the questions I have right now is: Why was the second gunman suddenly dropped from media coverage after the first few hours of this story developing?

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038352_school_shooting_lone_gunman_media_cover-up.html#ixzz2F62tMt7l
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I mean, you couldn't make this stuff up? It's just like the South Park episode with the Hardly Boys and 9/11... "WE HAVE TO BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO ASK QUESTIONS".

Hm, let's think. Maybe a second gunman is suddenly dropped from media coverage as it's cleared up that there wasn't one? I love how any change in an emerging news story is apparently a coverup and we have to "ASK QUESTIONS".

Yeah, only droves of dead people to worry about, situation is still unclear etc... But no, it's all a conspiracy.
 
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