Another school shooting in the US

cymatty said:
My position is that I agree with the gun laws in the USA, I can understand and see the against people be allowed military grade weapons though.
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So you do agree that private citizens should be able to own semi automatic weapons which are clearly designed for mass human slaughter rather than stalking deer?
 
estebanrey said:
So you do agree that private citizens should be able to own semi automatic weapons which are clearly designed for mass human slaughter rather than stalking deer?
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Well under the current constitution they are well within their rights to own such weapons so yes. Would changing the law to exclude these weapons make much difference, probably not.
 
cymatty said:
My position is that I agree with the gun laws in the USA, I can understand and see the against people be allowed military grade weapons though.
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You see I look at the statistics i quoted above, I look at the prevelant issues in the UK with knives and think gun laws like the USA and we have eactly the same problem with guns as we are having with knives.

I don't need a gun to make me feel safer in the UK but I would defintely feel more unsafe if a large portion of the scumbags out there could have them even if I could as well. People with mental problem, lack of social understanding or just plane scum would more readily use them than a good solid upstanding citizen of the UK.

If anything the last 20 years has taught me its we want to be anything but like the USA they are no way a role model for society or one that we should follow ever.
 
Reemul said:
You see I look at the statistics i quoted above, I look at the prevelant issues in the UK with knives and think gun laws like the USA and we have eactly the same problem with guns as we are having with knives.
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I guess the difference is that we have a before and after situation whereas in the US they have always had guns, that is probably why it seems alien to posters why anyone would want one, and why they make it sound so easy to remove them. :)
 
insideline said:
When I hear about people who have no link to the shooting crying etc it makes me think ive got no soul... Sure it's a sad/tragic event but I've got no actual personal emotions over it. I'll be going to fabric later and getting wrecked and will forget all about it and then go about tomorrow like every other day. And yet I see people on other forums with no relations to the victims saying they will be mourning the loss of life.

Am I broken or do people just have a habit of faking/talking up their emotions because its something they feel they should do after an event like this ?
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No mate the difference is you're honest, other people who are all "I feel like crying etc" are probably out getting drunk and having a laugh already. Events like these always make people latch on for a bit of moral grieving.
 
I think this thing could have been prevented if the public had a better perspective about mental health. I don't see why most people go for a yearly health check but not a mental health check as well.
 
Seems like a band of morons have decided to spam the Mass Effect Facebook page because of an apparent reference to the game in the news (the killer was supposed to have liked it or whatever).

Yes, it's definitely the video games, not the dumb gun laws the colonies like to cling on to.
 
Most of the people i work with have guns, its very easy to get the conceal carry licence too. They even have open carry in this state where people can walk around with the gun openly visible.
The hunting scene is very big here, so most people have guns for that and home protection. My father in law has various handguns, an SKS, a shotgun etc. Its too ingrained in the culture and the laws the country was based on for it to change over night.

I don't think there is a more sick crime than killing young children, this guy was a nut job to do what he did.
 
cymatty said:
Well under the current constitution they are well within their rights to own such weapons so yes. Would changing the law to exclude these weapons make much difference, probably not.
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I disagree, the second amendment says they have the right to 'bear arms', it does not say 'You have the right to own military grade firearms'. Not to mention the fact that when that was conceived the most powerful gun you could have was a musket.

They are not allowed to own a whole host of other weaponry (hand grenades, rocket launchers etc) so clearly a line has been drawn in terms of what counts as 'arms' so why would it be unconstitutional to shift that line further so it was illegal to own guns capable of killing many people in a very short amount of time?
 
insideline said:
When I hear about people who have no link to the shooting crying etc it makes me think ive got no soul... Sure it's a sad/tragic event but I've got no actual personal emotions over it. I'll be going to fabric later and getting wrecked and will forget all about it and then go about tomorrow like every other day. And yet I see people on other forums with no relations to the victims saying they will be mourning the loss of life.

Am I broken or do people just have a habit of faking/talking up their emotions because its something they feel they should do after an event like this ?
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How do you know people are faking/talking up their emotions? How about they actually do feel emotional after something like this, did that occur to you?
 
Instead of putting the entire focus on to gun control and gun laws one should also be looking into the cultural and social aspects behind such crimes. It happens far too often within certain ethnic/social groups, which should be addressed first.
 
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I was genuinely moved my Obama's address. I am a dad and my child is not far off the age range of the kids in that school. I have to stop myself from dwelling on how those parents who have lost children today are feeling.

What Obama did took courage - watching him pause to compose himself was very emotional.

This is just awful beyond words.
 
Tachyon said:
OK, but I'm just not getting why you think they might be then? You don't feel anything but can't you understand why someone else might feel emotional? I'm not sure why you think they might be faking it.
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Just look at the the ridiculously over the top mass hysteria regarding the death of Diana for evidence of what I'm talking about, I'm not saying that's the case with this but there certainly are people out there who jump at any chance to let everyone know how distraught or emotional they are. Jumping on the grief bandwagon is nothing new.
 
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insideline said:
Just look at the death of Diana for evidence of what I'm talking about, I'm not saying that's the case with this but there certainly are people out there who jump at any chance to let everyone know how distraught or emotional they are.
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You don't have to conform to any way of thinking or feeling towards anything. Some people are sensitive to stuff like this and are more compassionate towards others. You don't have to have any kind of relationship with someone to understand what they're going though or put yourself in their shoes. Sometimes events like this make you realise what you have around you and how lucky yet fragile everything really is.

Just last night we watched a documentary on people and families who have lost their homes. I found that difficult to watch at times even though I don;t know any of them, nor have I had the horrible misfortune of going through it.

That didn't stop me from recognising the struggles these people face each day and empathising.
 
insideline said:
Just look at the the ridiculously over the top mass hysteria regarding the death of Diana for evidence of what I'm talking about, I'm not saying that's the case with this but there certainly are people out there who jump at any chance to let everyone know how distraught or emotional they are. Jumping on the grief bandwagon is nothing new.
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Lol, like when someone asks you if they're broken? :p
 
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