Another school shooting in the US

estebanrey · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:12

elmarko1234 said:
It's actually very simple.

A combination of guns & gross wealth inequality along with poor provisions for mental illness is the main cause.

In short, don't give stupid miserable unhappy poor people guns.

It's much easier (And cheaper) to just remove the guns than it is to fix social problems.

Exactly, only an idiot would question why Switzerland (a rich country, per head, with a tiny population) doesn't have the same level of gun crime as the US despite having liberal gun laws.

estebanrey · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:14

cymatty said:
Guns are the tool to do the job. You think if they banned guns that the nut jobs would not explosives, knifes, axes or whatever.

Making a viable bomb isn't easy and has a decent chance of failing. Furthermore it requires planning and preperation, you can't just go crazy one day and contruct a bomb and detonate it. Buying a gun is easy, has a low chance of failing and is at hand to nutter on a crazy turn.

Comparing the possible damage of a gun to a knife or an axe is just silly.

King Damager · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:14

That's per hundred residents.

This is atrocious, let us hope the shooter wasn't a child :s

kd

cymatty · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:17

elmarko1234 said:
It's actually very simple.

A combination of guns & gross wealth inequality along with poor provisions for mental illness is the main cause.

In short, don't give stupid miserable unhappy poor people guns.

It's much easier (And cheaper) to just remove the guns than it is to fix social problems.

Or how about a middle option, tighten up gun regulation so that its more difficult than it is now to get a gun.

elmarko · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:18

cymatty said:
Guns are the tool to do the job. You think if they banned guns that the nut jobs would not explosives, knifes, axes or whatever.

They don't for a number of reasons.

1. A person with a knife can be restrained much easier than a person with a gun, it's also significantly easier to kill with a gun (mentally) than it is with a knife.

Pulling a trigger disconnects the person from what occurring to a greater degree than what they would experience from plunging a knife into a childs body.

2. To make explosives takes time, dedication & risks the individual getting caught during the manufacturing of the explosives.

Creating a bomb also requires long-term premeditation eliminates the possibility of a person waking up one day & mentally breaking - then thinking "I WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY IN A SCHOOL, LETS START BUILDING A BOMB".

trojan698 · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:18

Ricochet J said:
I wonder what the NRA have to say about all of these mass shootings.

The part in the Second Amendment about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" really needs to be removed.

Agreed.

They like fear in the states though, the place is run on it, and we all pay for it.

Hopefully December 21st will see the US government fall.

Arazi · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:18

Besides the est 27 dead they are saying that a whole classroom of kids are missing also

oldbag · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:19

Why is it always schools? Why not offices, supermarkets, etc? Less security? Maximum impact? Some sick people out there.

Arazi · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:19

According to the BBC

philip2009 · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:19

US gun nuts are delusional. The bottom line is they see this as a price worth paying.

elmarko · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:22

oldbag said:
Why is it always schools? Why not offices, supermarkets, etc? Less security? Maximum impact? Some sick people out there.

They could at least target an NRA meeting (America could finally learn the meaning of irony)

cymatty · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:23

oldbag said:
Why is it always schools? Why not offices, supermarkets, etc? Less security? Maximum impact? Some sick people out there.

I guess a classroom of kids is less likely to fight back than a bunch of grown people. It is probably for the maximun impact as well.

estebanrey · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:24

As Maher says, guns are a religion in Murka...

Guerrilla · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:26

Horrible news, just heard about it... Elementary school

cymatty · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:26

Penn and Tellers BS episode on gun control is a good episode, I cant link to it as its got naughties in it.

oldbag · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:26

I think the argument that even with a ban on guns a nutter who wants to commit such an act would easily get hold of a gun, rending the ban useless, is flawed.

Moothead2 · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:31

oldbag said:
I think the argument that even with a ban on guns a nutter who wants to commit such an act would easily get hold of a gun, rending the ban useless, is flawed.

But that would require planning ahead. What they have now is that people get guns because they can. If they suddenly snap and decide to kill children they can do it straight away and not have time to think about the consequences. Making it harder to acquire a gun will at least have some impact on this I feel.

estebanrey · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:32

cymatty said:
Penn and Tellers BS episode on gun control is a good episode, I cant link to it as its got naughties in it.

I like BS but it kinda went down hill after the first series. The first few were about things that could proved wrong by science (or at least not be proved right by it) like mediums, hypnosis and religion. But after they ran out of things they could demonstrably show was wrong, they started using it as a political platform to spout Penn Jillette's libertarian views, the one on Gun Control was exactly that, opinion disguised as fact.

cymatty · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:32

Moothead2 said:
But that would require planning ahead. What they have now is that people get guns because they can. If they suddenly snap and decide to kill children they can do it straight away and not have time to think about the consequences. Making it harder to acquire a gun will at least have some impact on this I feel.

And tear up the constitution at the same time, I feel that will go down well in the US.

oldbag · 14 Dec 2012 at 18:35

Moothead2 said:
But that would require planning ahead. What they have now is that people get guns because they can. If they suddenly snap and decide to kill children they can do it straight away and not have time to think about the consequences. Making it harder to acquire a gun will at least have some impact on this I feel.

That's my point, but someone always comes out with this argument (that a ban would make no difference) because they like owning guns. Whether someone snaps and shoots a load of children because its so easy to get hold of someone's gun appears to be an occupational hazard, as it were...