Another supplements thread:

[Chong Warrior]

*Gets out popcorn* (or should it be unsweetened organic popcorn)

I don't think so, I've got much better things to do with my time than argue with the likes of you....

 

[Morba]

would steroids be classed as a supplement?

creatine is and it has some very good results, admittedly it also has its non results but that is to be expected with most things.

 

[Bakedgoods]

would steroids be classed as a supplement?

I guess they are, but to be fair steroids do a whole lot more than any other supplement ever will, legal anyways.

I'm wary about supplement use and all I generally take is Whey and Fish oil.

I have tried creatine (mono) and from my experience it does make a difference.

 

[alexthecheese]

Sorry to hijack the thread (interesting reading tho), but I keep thinking about supplements and whether or not it would be worth me getting them.

I’m mainly a cardio man – rowing, cycling, cross-trainer, in that order at the gym – and then some weights afterwards and on different days.

Is it worth having supplements when you’re primarily interested in cardio based activities for weight loss?

 

[Chong Warrior]

would steroids be classed as a supplement?

Yeah.... like supplementing your running with a car

creatine is and it has some very good results, admittedly it also has its non results but that is to be expected with most things.

As you know Creatine is a natural substance, it's your muscles source of fuel. Topping up your own supplies by supplementing obviously boosts performance as reported by millions? of people... though jeffstar would have us believe it's all just a placebo effect

I'm wary about supplement use and all I generally take is Whey and Fish oil.

You'd have to be a little bit crazy not to be wary about shoving all kinds down your neck. Isn't that why we come to places like this forum to ask and learn about them first?
I'm very wary and I do some serious research and weigh up any possible dangers or health risks before I use anything. For this reason I've NEVER touched steroids. I've even come to the conclusion that certain stacks can be used safely with minimal risk to health but there's still that little bit of doubt so I don't touch them.

I have tried creatine (mono) and from my experience it does make a difference.

It's THE most research supplement, HMB is the 2nd most researched, and those studies would back your claim up, as would I.

Some people don't respond to creatine monohydrate and it's believed to be something to do with the transport system used to shuttle the creatine across the barrier and into the muscle cells. Attaching an Ethyl-Esther is supposed to do away with this problem and it seems to work as non-responders to mono have raved about CEE.

I've decided I won't be using CEE anymore, there are too many drawbacks to it. Main one is the acidity wrecking my teeth and it tastes vile. Also there was a link provided on here a week or so ago (by jeffstar I think? - yes I do listen ) about CEE rapidly turning to creatinine in the stomach. I looked into this more and found Kre-alkalyn, a buffered creatine was also found to do the same thing. Yet monohydrate didn't and 99% remained available compared to something like 75% for the other two. That's just one study and the only one to report this so it's by no means conclusive but it's just another mark against CEE imho.

So monohydrate is cheaper, tastes far better, is far kinder to teeth and I respond better to it. It's a no brainer really. Only thing I've found is you really have to stay on top of your hydration levels when using mono, other wise you get cramps.

 

[digisatman]

Sorry to hijack the thread (interesting reading tho), but I keep thinking about supplements and whether or not it would be worth me getting them.

I’m mainly a cardio man – rowing, cycling, cross-trainer, in that order at the gym – and then some weights afterwards and on different days.

Is it worth having supplements when you’re primarily interested in cardio based activities for weight loss?

supplements aint no miracle worker, they help you acheive your diet goals, so if you want to gain muscle, you need to make sure you are eating enough protein. I dont eat meat reguarly, during weekdays, so Protein would help me to meet my protein requirements. I would suggest you do some research, and figure out goals etc etc, then make a decision.

 

[Bakedgoods]

Cheers for the recipe CW, I hate cream but I suppose I can give it a try haha.

I read the link about CEE too and it is paticularly off putting, I see no need to try it when I know I can benefit from taking monohydrate. Only positive for taking CEE over Mono for be would be not having to take it every day, and that one advantage really isn't worth it.

I didn't know that acidity of CEE, I guess it's only a problem though if you are taking powder and drinking it.

 

[Chong Warrior]

Sorry to hijack the thread (interesting reading tho), but I keep thinking about supplements and whether or not it would be worth me getting them.

I’m mainly a cardio man – rowing, cycling, cross-trainer, in that order at the gym – and then some weights afterwards and on different days.

Is it worth having supplements when you’re primarily interested in cardio based activities for weight loss?

Supplements can be good for helping you when things start to slow down and gains are stopping. When this happens it also has a knock on effect mentally as you don't feel like you're getting the results you deserve for all the effort you put it.

There are certain supp's you can take, like Green Tea, Sesamin and ALCAR that can help metabolize fat. There are also other supp's that can help with energy levels to help you push on that bit more or stimulants like caffeine, guarana, glucuronolactone (one of Red Bulls' main ingredients), etc when you need a pick me up.

EDIT - Important thing to remember is they 'supplement' your diet. Your diet has to be very good, as does your training or you might aswell just burn your money.

 

[alexthecheese]

EDIT - Important thing to remember is they 'supplement' your diet. Your diet has to be very good, as does your training or you might aswell just burn your money.

Thanks for the reply.

I think have a fairly good diet and it must be low in fat.

I have a muesli-style breakfast, healthy living sandwiches and fruit for lunch and snacks throughout the day, and often even have weight-watcher dinners as my mum wants to lose weight. I never, ever snack on chocolate, crisps or anything like that so I must be quite low on calories and fat.

Would it be worth my while having a protein supplement, as I've read many times on here that after a workout your body is acheing for it? My arms and legs are definitely burning after a rowing session.

 

[Chong Warrior]

Thanks for the reply.

I think have a fairly good diet and it must be low in fat.

I have a muesli-style breakfast, healthy living sandwiches and fruit for lunch and snacks throughout the day, and often even have weight-watcher dinners as my mum wants to lose weight. I never, ever snack on chocolate, crisps or anything like that so I must be quite low on calories and fat.

Would it be worth my while having a protein supplement, as I've read many times on here that after a workout your body is acheing for it? My arms and legs are definitely burning after a rowing session.

I've mentioned this before but I tend to shy away from such posts. Reason is I believe low-fat is the unhealthiest diet you can eat but I'll stop there...

Protein supp's can help you hold onto lean muscle mass when trying to lose bodyfat but the whole thing is so much more complicated.

For cardio you don't really need huge amounts of protein and you should be able to get enough from your diet by adding eggs and meat. You could always pick up a tub just for using immediately after a workout. A 30g serving of whey along with a couple of banana's would do wonders for helping with recovery I don't think you'd need at any other times though.

 

[Morba]

ECA for the win tbh.