Any PUAs on here?

Thompson_NCL said:
I don't see any harm in this concept. Some people are naturally confident, whereas others need to believe there is a 'method' which they can master to get that same confidence. It's pretty harmless.
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Learning ways to help the socially maladjusted speak openly and confidently to women is fine. The whole concept of PUA is not fine and is certainly not harmless.

Most recently championed by the fedora-wearing kid-botherers over at /mensrights, the PUA 'techniques' are vomit inducing for even the most ethically-empty adult and the emphasis on getting to 'end game' (sex) gets very rapey very quickly.
 
[FnG]magnolia;24998236 said:
Most recently championed by the fedora-wearing kid-botherers over at /mensrights, the PUA 'techniques' are vomit inducing for even the most ethically-empty adult and the emphasis on getting to 'end game' (sex) gets very rapey very quickly.
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yup - they have techniques for overcoming 'last minute resistance'... pretty much sounds like date-rape

Try even being direct: if, for example, she won’t take off her shirt, say, “Get onyour knees…lift your arms” and just take off her shirt

If you get rejection a second time, say, “I’m an adult—either we’re going to be happy, maybe even have sex, or we can play chess.” It is scary to do this, but at least in America, I’ve never found it not to work. Try experimenting by just turning off and rolling over when you get resistance, you’ll see that she will return to you.
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The way to overcome token resistance is with increased arousal and playfulness. For example, if the girl says, “I don’t usually do this”, you can respond, “I know, we shouldn’t be doing this. You know what else we shouldn’t be doing?” and then you physically escalate. You should not try to fight her emotional resistance logically. Instead, just acknowledge her objection and move forward.
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The classic, that is in all the recent lay reports: Keep agreeing, but moving forward and pacing. “You’re right, I shouldn’t be unbuttoning your pants right now” “Its so bad I’m making you feel so good”
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:eek: pretty dubious.....
 
PUA is toxic. It warps your idea of what a relationship should be about (blowing your load isn't the be all and end all or anything near it) and normalises manipulative behaviour. Look at what Dowie has quoted - a decent human being would want both partners to be comfortable and ready for sex instead of basically badgering the other person into it.

OP, if you need guidance on interacting with others, then try something that develops your overall social skills (like How to Win Friends and Influence People). This will make you a better person to be around and enable you to leave behind the time in your life when you were a man-child looking for the cheat code to sex.
 
Without meaning to sound slushy, I've been the Nice Guy in the friend zone, then the jilted boyfriend, then the emotionally retarded, lonely recluse, followed by the gym and decent pay packet - induced confidence douchebag who's brazenly upfront about his agenda, when chatting up the chicas in the club. The latter works for meaningless sex and boosting ego, but does nothing to increase your appeal to worthwhile potential partners.

I won my wife over by being a confident, nice, honest guy and the brazen upfrontness when it comes to horizontal dancing. I keep her by making her happy and being a good father as well as an entertaining husband.
 
That Neil Strauss guy who wrote the book 'The Game' (which I almost finished, and quite enjoyed as a story), recently got married, and he had a real funeral, with a real coffin, for his alter-ego, 'Style'. Massive pleb.
 
ScarySquirrel said:
That Neil Strauss guy who wrote the book 'The Game' (which I almost finished, and quite enjoyed as a story), recently got married, and he had a real funeral, with a real coffin, for his alter-ego, 'Style'. Massive pleb.
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Looool

There are a few things worth knowing that PUA can teach, but it comes with such awfulness packaged with it that it's better to learn it on your own than wade through the crap to get to it. Saying that, I can see how it can be appealing for people who have a hard time with the opposite sex, but they normally have way bigger problems than can be fixed by quick fix pua nonsense.
 
Lolaroo is this stuff actually real? no wait its not even funny. I would rather die a lonely virgin.
 
MikeTheNative said:
Fair play to Blazin23 for taking the stick well and for staying active in the thread.
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Thanks :) I take most of the PUA stuff with a pinch of salt, I just wanted to share/see if anyone else had tried it or read about it.

krooton said:
I find the easiest way to talk to women is not view them all as potential shags. If you don't have some "end goal" in the back of your mind, you won't be nervous, or indeed worry about not looking like some sort of Fonzi clone.

I have plenty of female friends, and have had enough long term relationships to see the benefits of the above, but maybe the nice-guy-friendzone trap isn't such a problem when you don't look like a troll to boot...
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That is true, with no expectations you have nothing to lose. However the nice-guy friendzone trap isn't just limited to the less physically attractive. I've seen guys who work it day and night and the gym, purely because they have little confidence and think that the only way for them to 'score' women is to be pumped up like a balloon.

TJM said:
PUA is toxic. It warps your idea of what a relationship should be about (blowing your load isn't the be all and end all or anything near it) and normalises manipulative behaviour. Look at what Dowie has quoted - a decent human being would want both partners to be comfortable and ready for sex instead of basically badgering the other person into it.

OP, if you need guidance on interacting with others, then try something that develops your overall social skills (like How to Win Friends and Influence People). This will make you a better person to be around and enable you to leave behind the time in your life when you were a man-child looking for the cheat code to sex.
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Yes, as I previously stated, sticking to the PUA techniques like a religion will result in serious commitment and relationship issues.

I am familiar with other books to improve confidence and social skills, and I'm not saying pickup artits-try is the only thing I have knowledge about. It was merely my stepping stone into self improvement. I've also read The Power of Now (more on enlightenment), Way Of The Superior Man and a few others.

ScarySquirrel said:
That Neil Strauss guy who wrote the book 'The Game' (which I almost finished, and quite enjoyed as a story), recently got married, and he had a real funeral, with a real coffin, for his alter-ego, 'Style'. Massive pleb.
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A lot of the 'original' pick up artists (who really monetized on it) are very corny and pretty hilarious. But there are a 'new wave' of PUAs like (someone mentioned earlier) Simple Pickup on YouTube are awesome, and VitalyzdTv has some pretty funny ones.
 
Surely its just a numbers game. I had a friend who would try it on with anything that was female until he got a result... I mean 50+ attempts a night. Eventually you will find a person that is like minded or drunk enough to oblige? I think so.

Confidence, or not caring, not being bothered by negatives and knock backs goes a long way. Personally i found it pretty weird how someone can keep so detached from what they are doing.

I've always been a fairly confident person but these PUA guys are something else, its kinda creepy :P No im not jealous, too old to be jealous.
 
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