Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

Grim5 · 19 Oct 2019 at 18:42

arc@css said:
Out of interest, what did the absolute top-end card used to cost before the early part of this decade, 6-700?

I paid 400 pounds for a AMD HD5870 in 2009 - at the time the fastest single card.

Now it's a 1000+ pounds

_tucker_ · 19 Oct 2019 at 18:55

Yeah mate totally agree pricing has gone through the roof, problem with a good thing is people will always capitalise on it, business is business but so long as we always pay for the best the prices won’t go down

Razor Time · 19 Oct 2019 at 19:18

arc@css said:
Out of interest, what did the absolute top-end card used to cost before the early part of this decade, 6-700?

I bought 2 x GTX 480's for £450 each and prior to that a 4870X2 which was a dual gpu card for £330.

DELETED_195422 · 19 Oct 2019 at 19:34

Buying into the high-end is a complete waste of money. It's just souped-up console ports now. The days of devs taking advantage of far superior PC hardware is over.

Devs want to their games across as many platforms as possible, even porting their games onto gimped hardware like the Switch.

Two years into next gen console hardware cycle will give us an idea of what PC gamers could've been playing 5/6 years ago as the hardware/performance was there.

Anyway, these are just games and quite frankly aren't that bloody important in all face of things.

MissChief · 19 Oct 2019 at 19:48

Rock_n_Roll said:
Buying into the high-end is a complete waste of money. It's just souped-up console ports now. The days of devs taking advantage of far superior PC hardware is over.

Devs want to their games across as many platforms as possible, even porting their games onto gimped hardware like the Switch.

Two years into next gen console hardware cycle will give us an idea of what PC gamers could've been playing 5/6 years ago as the hardware/performance was there.

Anyway, these are just games and quite frankly aren't that bloody important in all face of things.

Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen (as much as it can be anyway) are PC first, consoles second.

DELETED_195422 · 19 Oct 2019 at 19:59

MissChief said:
Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen (as much as it can be anyway) are PC first, consoles second.

Star Citizen is **** though and not worth dropping 4 figures on a GPU.

As for Cyberpunk, is it? I remember The Witcher 3 being down-scaled, graphically, to port onto consoles. Plus Cyberpunk is being ported to PS4/Xbox, so inevitably there will be compromises to the PC version.

With GPU market in such a poor state, i'm on two minds whether just to buy Project Scarlett (i already have some Xbox games too) along with Gamepass and call it a day.

Will wait to see how things turn out.

TNA · 19 Oct 2019 at 22:59

Rock_n_Roll said:
Star Citizen is **** though and not worth dropping 4 figures on a GPU.

As for Cyberpunk, is it? I remember The Witcher 3 being down-scaled, graphically, to port onto consoles. Plus Cyberpunk is being ported to PS4/Xbox, so inevitably there will be compromises to the PC version.

With GPU market in such a poor state, i'm on two minds whether just to buy Project Scarlett (i already have some Xbox games too) along with Gamepass and call it a day.

Will wait to see how things turn out.

Don’t bother. All you need is Stadia which is much better than next gen consoles and even PC

XeNoNF50 · 19 Oct 2019 at 23:13

I wonder if I will tell like the OP title once the 3080ti is out. Suspect I will.

DELETED_195422 · 19 Oct 2019 at 23:29

TNA said:
Don’t bother. All you need is Stadia which is much better than next gen consoles and even PC

More tiresome pish talk from you TNA. :rolleyes:

You're like the mental patient that doesn't know they are mental.

BigBANGtheory · 19 Oct 2019 at 23:32

When I can double the perf of an overclocked 980Ti at a sensible price I’m in, if a graphics card vendor wants upwards of £1k then I want triple the perf otherwise nope not interested.

What I detest is a vendor trying to push a commodity GPU (mass produced consumer electronics) as a luxury item or brand. That **** needs to be shut down right away

DELETED_195422 · 19 Oct 2019 at 23:35

I hope Nvidia price the 3080 Ti £3000. Those buying 4 digit cards deserve it, milk their stupidity even more.

Grim5 · 19 Oct 2019 at 23:45

Rock_n_Roll said:
I hope Nvidia price the 3080 Ti £3000. Those buying 4 digit cards deserve it, milk their stupidity even more.

I can see the future, there will be a 3080ti owners thread: "3080ti owners thread (did we pay too much edition)" followed by a 100 owners posting

I belive the 3080ti will be cheaper than the 2080ti but probably only by $100 or so. I can't see them going back to $600 Ti cards - unless of course we get another global recession soon since recessions usually hold or drop electronic prices quite nicely

HangTime · 20 Oct 2019 at 00:56

BigBANGtheory said:
What I detest is a vendor trying to push a commodity GPU (mass produced consumer electronics) as a luxury item or brand. That **** needs to be shut down right away

Are these sorts of graphics cards really a commodity item though? It's only serious hobbyists like most of this forum that buy high end gaming cards, the market is nothing like that of phones, laptops, smart speakers, tvs, etc. High end gfx cards I have always considered a bit of a luxury item, as for the majority of people onboard gfx (or in the old days) a cheap card is sufficient. A lot of people don't even use desktop PCs at home these days.

TNA · 20 Oct 2019 at 10:03

Rock_n_Roll said:
More tiresome pish talk from you TNA.

You're like the mental patient that doesn't know they are mental.

I think you will find the reverse is true. Lol.

You have been biging up Stadia like it was the next coming and slagging of the consoles at every opportunity you get in the console section of the forum. Now after all those posts you say you are considering getting a console...

Then you call me mental

Rofflay · 20 Oct 2019 at 11:04

BigBANGtheory said:
When I can double the perf of an overclocked 980Ti at a sensible price I’m in, if a graphics card vendor wants upwards of £1k then I want triple the perf otherwise nope not interested.

What I detest is a vendor trying to push a commodity GPU (mass produced consumer electronics) as a luxury item or brand. That **** needs to be shut down right away

Well to double mine i needed a heavily clocked 2080ti and my last 1080 cost £599 nearly 3yrs later it has been £899 for the 2080ti. It will not be double either, More like 89% more fps than 100% more and the vram jumps from 8gb to 11gb. Weither this is the future idk you could apply the same logic.

599 + 50% =899
899 + 50% =1349

I hope in 3yrs i am not paying £1349 to double my 2080ti fps and get 14gb of vram! But you do see models now like the HOF around that RRP!

Undesirable · 20 Oct 2019 at 19:17

MissChief said:
Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen (as much as it can be anyway) are PC first, consoles second.

"I've heard a number of people say that [it's a next-gen game]," quest designer Patrick Mills told Game Informer. "The current console generation is what we're aiming for. We are aiming for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and of course PC as well," Mills clarified.

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018...s4_game_says_dev_after_rumours_of_ps5_release

Grim5 · 20 Oct 2019 at 21:14

They are not quite the same - Star Citizen is the only next gen game. Cyberpunk is good, but it's still bound by existing console hardware limitations - i.e. 8-10gb RAM, Mechanical harddrives and slow memory bandwidth etc. Star Citizen makes use of next gen systems already - like needing to run on a nvme SSD as the game uses that fast speed to constantly stream assets in real time.

Freddie1980 · 20 Oct 2019 at 22:44

Grim5 said:
They are not quite the same - Star Citizen is the only next gen game. Cyberpunk is good, but it's still bound by existing console hardware limitations - i.e. 8-10gb RAM, Mechanical harddrives and slow memory bandwidth etc. Star Citizen makes use of next gen systems already - like needing to run on a nvme SSD as the game uses that fast speed to constantly stream assets in real time.

When talking about existing console limitations the CPU is the killer as developers have to limit thing's like the of NPC's that appear at any one time (there's a video on Digital Foundry via YouTube which looks at the Jaguars performance and clock for clock and core to core it's slower then the Q6600!).

MissChief · 20 Oct 2019 at 22:55

Freddie1980 said:
When talking about existing console limitations the CPU is the killer as developers have to limit thing's like the of NPC's that appear at any one time (there's a video on Digital Foundry via YouTube which looks at the Jaguars performance and clock for clock and core to core it's slower then the Q6600!).

But when a console's CPU has way less overheads compared to Windows on a PC more of that power can be used for games.

TNA · 20 Oct 2019 at 22:58

Freddie1980 said:
When talking about existing console limitations the CPU is the killer as developers have to limit thing's like the of NPC's that appear at any one time (there's a video on Digital Foundry via YouTube which looks at the Jaguars performance and clock for clock and core to core it's slower then the Q6600!).

So there will be a huge boost with next gen consoles then.

Some make it sound like next gen consoles will not be that impressive, but I actually get the feel for once there will be a very nice leap which will let devs make better games. That is why I am looking forward to the PS5 myself.