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Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

On the other hand we've had 2060S/5700XT performance (or at least not far off it with the 1080) for years and years now the price should have dropped quite a bit by now - you are also paying a lot of money for what traditionally barely qualifies as a mid-range card.

I don't understand this mentality of consumers not only being OK with being ripped off like this but even defending it!

Up until my 1070 I've always managed to get close to top end performance without spending more than £400, usually more like £300 - albeit I've usually managed to get pretty sweet deals and the only reason I went for the 1070 was because I got one significantly cheaper than the normal price.

We never it's more 1080ti than 1080. Think you are underestimating the 5700xt.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_5700_xt_gaming_x_review,13.html
 
We never it's more 1080ti than 1080. Think you are underestimating the 5700xt.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_5700_xt_gaming_x_review,13.html

I was generalising across the previous posts for that rough ballpark performance area in the middle of the pack between 2060S and 5700XT. It seems like the Pascal GPUs were released a lifetime ago now and yet aside from the 2080ti we've not really moved on performance wise but prices are LOL and people even defend it :(
 
I was generalising across the previous posts for that rough ballpark performance area in the middle of the pack between 2060S and 5700XT. It seems like the Pascal GPUs were released a lifetime ago now and yet aside from the 2080ti we've not really moved on performance wise but prices are LOL and people even defend it :(

Pascal and Maxwell were both pretty decent, Turing can't hold a candle to them hence why AMD sales seem to be up. Think Nvidia hit an own goal with turing. RT just ain't there yet. Was impressed with Metro but was that because the usual lighting techniques were held back to make the RT look better. That's my whole problem with Nvidia you just don't know. Any how the 5700xt spanks my Vega and obliterates your 1070. Always thought the 1070 was pretty fast but recent benches show its pretty aged or slow. 3000 series incoming for Rroff i think.
 
Always thought the 1070 was pretty fast but recent benches show its pretty aged or slow. 3000 series incoming for Rroff i think.

It was never that fast - nVidia slapping x70 on it doesn't disguise what it really is (except sadly too many general consumers seem fooled) - only bought it because Kepler was starting to fall down a bit in certain newer games and Gibbo had a really nice deal on.

Definitely holding out for nVidia's next generation unless either something comes along game wise first that I want to play that needs more than a 1070 or it dies or something.

EDIT: GPUs seem increasingly poor value for money these days though - financially I'm pretty comfortable but I hate being taken for a mug - increasingly I'm finding it is pushing me to other hobbies over gaming.

In fact the whole situation depresses me - nothing CPU wise out there is hugely faster than what I have now - sure an overclocked 9900K or 3800X will give a healthy boost over my overclocked 4820K but not enough to get me excited and nothing game wise out there is worth spending 2080ti money on at 1440p and at least the 2080ti is the fastest out there and closer to the max possible silicon wise even if a bit expensive.
 
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It was never that fast - nVidia slapping x70 on it doesn't disguise what it really is (except sadly too many general consumers seem fooled) - only bought it because Kepler was starting to fall down a bit in certain newer games and Gibbo had a really nice deal on.

Definitely holding out for nVidia's next generation unless either something comes along game wise first that I want to play that needs more than a 1070 or it dies or something.

EDIT: GPUs seem increasingly poor value for money these days though - financially I'm pretty comfortable but I hate being taken for a mug - increasingly I'm finding it is pushing me to other hobbies over gaming.

In fact the whole situation depresses me - nothing CPU wise out there is hugely faster than what I have now - sure an overclocked 9900K or 3800X will give a healthy boost over my overclocked 4820K but not enough to get me excited and nothing game wise out there is worth spending 2080ti money on at 1440p and at least the 2080ti is the fastest out there and closer to the max possible silicon wise even if a bit expensive.

Good post mate sums up the way i feel about the market. I held onto my I7 920 until it was out on it's feet so got a 2700x Vega 64 combo. Really happy as it feels like an upgrade but i feel you need to wait for years to get that upgrade feel especially on the gpu side.
 
Tbf still nothing wrong with those cards for 1080p gaming, last a fair while yet!

My old 780GHz that is in a secondary system still holds up at 1080p in a lot of games - even does 1440p fine in many cases aside from some newer games that Kepler doesn't hold up so well in.

In fact a surprising number of games still do 1080p medium settings on the GTX675m in my laptop which is actually a Fermi core running around desktop GTX570 performance partly thanks to having 2GB VRAM instead of the 1.28GB of the desktop equivalent.
 
I was generalising across the previous posts for that rough ballpark performance area in the middle of the pack between 2060S and 5700XT. It seems like the Pascal GPUs were released a lifetime ago now and yet aside from the 2080ti we've not really moved on performance wise but prices are LOL and people even defend it :(
Yeah, I agree to be honest. I also don’t get why people defend it. Even if I got a 2080 Ti I would still be slating it due to its poor price for performance. I guess some feel like they need to defend their decision? Nothing wrong with saying I know this card is way overpriced, but I really wanted it.

I really hope price for performance really moves on with the 3000 series. 2080Ti performance in 2020 needs to be £400-£500 with much better RT in the shape of a 3070 or it will be another cash grab fail from nvidia imo.
 
I don't understand this mentality of consumers not only being OK with being ripped off like this but even defending it!

You're getting higher performance than the previous cards you mentioned and with newer features. That you want even MORE does not make it a rip-off, it just means your expectations are unaligned with market realities. Besides, the question is one of value not technological advancement, and that's what I spoke to. Truth is there's features there that are offering multi-generational leaps in performance if they were properly implemented (eg mesh shaders) but unfortunately as with anything it takes time, even if the hardware is otherwise capable.
 
I very often will wait until prices for games to come down, so my 980Ti is still holding up very well.

However, I do run a lot of mods, and with quite a number of those not being optimized, sometimes a lot of GPU horsepower is required to get a desired level of performance.

So, maybe I'm at the point where I still don't get need a new card - but I am starting to think about it, so probably next year will be the right time for me..... a 5800/5900 Navi card would be nice (if possible).
 
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Love this thread! I want to upgrade my cpu, mobo, case, psu and cooling to water loop but the 2500 pounds is slightly off putting
 
It's weird. In some ways prices have never been higher but at the same time the leaps in performance have never been smaller

Currently I'm still happy with the level of performance offered by my current 5 year old (i7-5820 /Geforce980) system? Depends what you're running I guess?

I'm hoping the release of next generation consoles (ps5 / xbox2) will bring some much needed sanity to 2020 PC component prices and video cards in particular!

Though having said that I think I'd rather spend any upgrade money on buying a ps5 rather than on my PC especially with backwards compatibility for the PSVR headset and PSVR 2 on the horizon.
 
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It's weird. In some ways prices have never been higher but at the same time the leaps in performance have never been smaller

Currently I'm still happy with the level of performance offered by my current 5 year old (i7-5820 /Geforce980) system?

Depends what you're running I guess?

how much is the performance jump if you moved to a 16 core 3950x or 8 core 9980xe? Sounds like a massive jump to me even if the price is high

as for your system - we've been on the current console gen since 2013 so any PC built after that still runs games at 1080p perfectly fine - it's only high refresh and high resolution that has evolved over time while 1080p gaming is required little hardware upgrades which makes it good value for a pc gamer
 
You're getting higher performance than the previous cards you mentioned and with newer features. That you want even MORE does not make it a rip-off, it just means your expectations are unaligned with market realities. Besides, the question is one of value not technological advancement, and that's what I spoke to. Truth is there's features there that are offering multi-generational leaps in performance if they were properly implemented (eg mesh shaders) but unfortunately as with anything it takes time, even if the hardware is otherwise capable.

Eh that has always been the way - which renders the older GPU obsolete and reduces the value. I don't understand your mentality on this nVidia and to a lesser extent AMD is basically just setting the value at whatever they feel like, up until consumers protest, which isn't intrinsically linked to technology advances, etc.
 
I really hope price for performance really moves on with the 3000 series. 2080Ti performance in 2020 needs to be £400-£500 with much better RT in the shape of a 3070 or it will be another cash grab fail from nvidia imo.
400-500 for a 3070 would still be expensive, should be 300 odd max IMO. 3080 should be 400+ and the 3080Ti 500-600 max. That would put prices back to more realistic levels like they were only a couple of generations ago..

That said, if the performance jump is big enough then a little higher prices (bit above what i said) wouldn't be so bad, but i doubt it.
 
They should be paying us to use the cards IMO.

In all seriousness, the fact that people are buying 2080ti at £1k+ means the top card will always be £1k or close to it from now on. And the next one down will also be £700 or so. They can charge these prices because they'll still sell the cards. Until AMD come up with something that is close to it at a cheaper price Green Team won't budge at the very top end.
 
Out of interest, what did the absolute top-end card used to cost before the early part of this decade, 6-700?

How far back are you talking? a lot of the top end cards sat around £400-500 but you'd get the odd ultra type card that was £600-700. I bought the 7950GX2 back in the day on release and IIRC it was slightly under £400.

Personally not bothered about the price of the absolute top end cards - at least you get as fast as is possible for the money you pay and usually they are close to the high end realistic capabilities of the silicon - its the spread of cards below that I'm critical of as there is a fair gulf in performance from bleeding edge silicon capabilities - you are getting what are realistically "ritzed" up mid-range specs at high end money.
 
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