I forgot Psycho Sonny is the forums resident Audiophile and VideoPhile (he did love his "kind of higher end" Plasma.
So I should have bought two sets of headphones, Sony for outdoor and some better sounding wired ones for indoor doh I am doing it all wrong.
Well I was not impressed by the shaped sound or the NC of the Sony (added to burning ear lobs after 20mins even in cold weather), I cannot help if I have exceptionally good hearing and the NC did next to nothing for me but to be fair it was said that firmware they came with made the NC worse then the previous one (Reddit thread), I did get one newer update days before I got rid of them but NC was same.
The software was also buggy (two Apps), had to manually enter to make the change from 44.1hz to 96hz every time i connected till I removed the software and left it to Android to take care of it.
Putting aside the video reviews of some guys walking about a busy street all happy they can hardly hear any noise while wearing a beanie hat and glasses (pads are not going to passively seal well) I can only assume they are "poor of hearing"
I know they do well with plane engine noise/AC noise but the talking passengers/screaming kids will not be cut out by today's technology and with NC on vs not on/no music I found it changed other noises to be more annoying (traffic noise), again some owners say this was the newer Firmware to blame letting MIC leak in sound but I cannot compare to older one.
My free advise is Psycho Sonny you seem to like to aggressively force your opinions on to others, so how about your accept that they have theirs and it differs from yours and you are not always right but even then do not know when to quit.