Anyone worried about HDCP?

Santh said:
WhiteKnight -- If your TV is still under a year old get them to replace it. I just did this with my 42" plasma bought it last valentines and got it replaced last month as it was sold as being HD ready but didnt have the HD ready logo, HDMI or HDCP. Though it did have DVI

Hope it helps luck

hmm i see this thread got a lot longer since i read it lol

Anyways you should know I was able to get them to replace my TV so there is hope for you yet ;)
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Damb, I think we are a bit late for that. The TV is a HTD-501 (Sagem) if that helps. There was talk about a HDCP chip being made available for it but I have heard nothing since :(. If there is a HDCP crack, I will be using it! I am not buying a new TV just to have HDCP, when I have never illegally taken data from a tv channel! It is utter madness.
 
White Knight - Id suggest getting a refund based on the fact you were missold at POS - that TV appears never to have been "HD ready" (only capable of high definition which doesnt technically make it "HD ready") and therefore isnt fit for use as per advertised, as its likely that only a few channels wont be HDCP encrypted (even 'free to airs' might be depending on the carrier) once HDTV is established...

Definitely worth chasing this with whoever sold it to you and the manufacturer - looking at the EICTA site (which defines the HDTV standard in Europe and advises as a minimum a "HD Ready" TV requires HDCP over DVI/HDMI) it conflicts with the information on this website regarding your TV:

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=7340

I would also check to see if Sky/Cable/... have now confirmed how they are to transmit HDTV with HDCP encryption - it looks like that Sky are expecting at least a "HD Ready" logoed TV with their new HD boxes which ergo your TV isnt and so will get limited support (unlikely youll get any premium channels without HDCP) initially which will get worse as the standard becomes established...

Im unsure if you will get a full refund, but if I was in your position I would pursue this - hopefully the info above will be of some help...

P.S. It does look like that your TV was introduced before the "HD Ready" label was standardised (c. Jan 2005), but as it was labelled with the "HD Ready logo" which is provided via self-certification, it is either mis-advertising on behalf of the manufacturer or the retailer - its irrelevant that the standard was defined after the TV was produced since it was 'certified' and therefore a normal consumer would naturally assume it would meet the minimum requirements for "HD Ready" TVs...

GL

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
White Knight - Id suggest getting a refund based on the fact you were missold at POS - that TV appears never to have been "HD ready" (only capable of high definition which doesnt technically make it "HD ready") and therefore isnt fit for use as per advertised, as its likely that only a few channels wont be HDCP encrypted (even 'free to airs' might be depending on the carrier) once HDTV is established...

Definitely worth chasing this with whoever sold it to you and the manufacturer - looking at the EICTA site (which defines the HDTV standard in Europe and advises as a minimum a "HD Ready" TV requires HDCP over DVI/HDMI) it conflicts with the information on this website regarding your TV:

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=7340

I would also check to see if Sky/Cable/... have now confirmed how they are to transmit HDTV with HDCP encryption - it looks like that Sky are expecting at least a "HD Ready" logoed TV with their new HD boxes which ergo your TV isnt and so will get limited support (unlikely youll get any premium channels without HDCP) initially which will get worse as the standard becomes established...

Im unsure if you will get a full refund, but if I was in your position I would pursue this - hopefully the info above will be of some help...

P.S. It does look like that your TV was introduced before the "HD Ready" label was standardised (c. Jan 2005), but as it was labelled with the "HD Ready logo" which is provided via self-certification, it is either mis-advertising on behalf of the manufacturer or the retailer - its irrelevant that the standard was defined after the TV was produced since it was 'certified' and therefore a normal consumer would naturally assume it would meet the minimum requirements for "HD Ready" TVs...

GL

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I am thinking of doing this. Unfortunatly it is my parents that I need to persuade to do this. I keep trying to explain how the tv is not going to accept HDTV so is not future-proof but they just keep saying I am exagerating. They also say what does it matter? SDTV looks fine when I think it looks bad (not sharp etc). I was really looking forward to seeing HDTV on our 50" tv but it seems impossible.
When we were interested in the TV it was shown displaying american HDTV (According to my parents). Looks like I am going to be sticking with SDTV for much longer than I hoped (until this tv breaks). We are not interested in Sky HD because we are happily with Telewest so we will be going with Telewests version called TVDrive. Although I think it is likely this will also only output HD when HDCP is present :( .

EDIT: I think I am going to phone up Sagem (who manufacturer our tv) and persuade them to make the update. Has anyone got any suggestions to what I should say? The last time I phoned I really think I did not put accross my message clearly. The man on the other end said:
"We are not the only company who are suffering with this problem with regards to our TV sets, many other companies have the same dilema."
I just said ok but I think I should have said:
"Well that is how you can make yours stand out. If you produce an upgrade Sagem will gain a good report from users."
What do you think? Advice would be appriciated :D .
 
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Id point your parents to this thread to make them aware of their folly and let them decide if they can afford to swallow the cost of another TV when HDTV really kicks in and the possibility of taking this action further both with the manu and the retailor.

Im sure if you do your research and have established facts as have been layed out here you have a good chance of some success - just make sure you dont fall at the first hurdle...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
Id point your parents to this thread to make them aware of their folly and let them decide if they can afford to swallow the cost of another TV when HDTV really kicks in and the possibility of taking this action further both with the manu and the retailor.

Im sure if you do your research and have established facts as have been layed out here you have a good chance of some success - just make sure you dont fall at the first hurdle...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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cheers for the advice. They've just come back from Boston so I will leave it a couple of days.

Thanks again :D
 
Very good news everyone.

Sony have seen how stupid it would be to restrict the new DVD formats from displaying the full monty signal on older HDTVs and have now firmly stated they will allow their content to display on older devices by not including the ICT (image constraint token for now).

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30365

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1324

Now all we need is MS to see sense and disable HDCP from Vista which has a good chance of happening if most of the studios have abandoned it for HD-DVD + Blu-Ray then and only then will enthusiasts like us get the newer drives + discs as believe it or not the vast majority of people do buy legitimate discs!!
 
AWPC said:
Very good news everyone.

Sony have seen how stupid it would be to restrict the new DVD formats from displaying the full monty signal on older HDTVs and have now firmly stated they will allow their content to display on older devices by not including the ICT (image constraint token for now).

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30365

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1324

Now all we need is MS to see sense and disable HDCP from Vista which has a good chance of happening if most of the studios have abandoned it for HD-DVD + Blu-Ray then and only then will enthusiasts like us get the newer drives + discs as believe it or not the vast majority of people do buy legitimate discs!!
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VERY GOOD NEWS, thanks for posting! I think im supporting Blu Ray now..
 
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