AOC G2460PF

TerminatorUK · 29 Aug 2015 at 00:49

Does anyone know if OCuK will be stocking this monitor soon?:

http://aoc-europe.com/en/products/g2460pf

It"s meant to be due for September release but there's no news / reviews / stock anywhere.

Edit:

All,

I'm pleased to announce a world's first review (I think) of the AOC G2460PF for your viewing enjoyment:

http://www.ragequitters.co.uk/ragequitters-reviews-aoc-g2460pf-freesync-gaming-monitor/

Hope you enjoy it and find it useful!

- TerminatorUK

TerminatorUK · 29 Aug 2015 at 09:09

PCM2 said:
According conversations with AOC it is actually 'overclocked' during FreeSync to up to 160Hz anyway. 30-160Hz for the vertical frequency for an extremely impressive FreeSync range. Refer to my news article.

They're due to be released in the UK after IFA is wrapped up pending no delays.

Yup - this is why I'm really excited - the potentially massive 30-160hz Freesync range

What does after 'IFA is wrapped up' mean - is this some kind words of event or certification check?

TerminatorUK · 31 Aug 2015 at 10:01

PCM2 said:
IFA is a large trade show that happens in Berlin early in September every year. AOC's partners (including Philips), loads of big name brands and some you won't have heard of show new products off there, although AOC themselves don't. The plan seems to be to have the monitors arriving by the end of September, although this is subject to change.

Many thanks for the explanation on that - much appreciated.

End of September - gahh - the wait is killing me. I was going to goto an NVIDIA card and an AOC G2460PG when I saw this just before pulling the trigger - but that was late June / early July!

Another 4 weeks - I can make it...

TerminatorUK · 9 Sep 2015 at 23:04

Still no news or stock anywhere of this monitor - grrr.

Contacted OcUK the other day and they are waiting on information from AOC still and have no ETA...*sigh*

TerminatorUK · 10 Sep 2015 at 17:24

Awesome news on coming 'soon'

Yeah I saw the competitors listing - they had no clue when it was due though when I asked.

I'd prefer to buy it from OCuk too

First one to get stock gets my cash!

TerminatorUK · 14 Sep 2015 at 23:53

AOC UK said:
watch this space and/or other thread "Sexy New AOC Monitors" as I am chasing for 100% confirmation of freesync range before it lands in stock

That's brilliant - thanks so much. The Freesync range and input lag are the two key factors for me.

TerminatorUK · 15 Sep 2015 at 08:41

PCM2 said:
I'm expecting a review sample of this in the not too distant future. Might not have time to look at it straight away mind, may have to let users be the guinea pigs first.

Please do a review - that would be awesome!

Freesync range, input lag and overall objective view of the colours would be great

TerminatorUK · 17 Sep 2015 at 11:18

AOC UK said:
Ok, so I have just had a reply from our PM....drum roll!

According to the R&D guys in our headquarters; the G2460PF support a 30Hz-160Hz range when FreeSync is in use

Although the panel is capped to 144Hz, if you are willing to overclock it (and void the warranty), FreeSync would still hold up to 160Hz.

So, please hear it here 1st...do not overclock...I know you will, I mean won't

Awesome news!! as I stated in the other thread.

The 30hz minimum is significant here as well.

TerminatorUK · 17 Sep 2015 at 11:22

Thinking about this further - what happens when your framerate exceeds 144fps but is less than 160fps?

Say you had 150fps, would freesync switch itself off (because you are over the 144fps cap) and then you have either the v-sync on/off behaviour as set in the gfx card drivers or should freesync keep itself on (because it is within the range the monitor supports)?

If it remains on, how could it sync the refresh rate to 150hz if the monitor is capped at 144hz?

TerminatorUK · 17 Sep 2015 at 11:25

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TerminatorUK · 21 Sep 2015 at 12:53

Just had email confirmation that my AOC G2460PF has been shipped!

Way earlier than the 2nd October predicted ETA - nice on OCuK!

TerminatorUK · 22 Sep 2015 at 23:41

Hi folks, my AOC G2460PF arrived today and here are my first impressions:

Good bits:

- It's very smooth to game with (zero tearing)
- The input lag appears to be pretty good
- Freesync worked immediately without any fussing other than enabling it in the catalyst control panel when prompted
- No dead / stuck pixels (yay!)
- Hardly any backlight bleed
- For a TN panel, the gamma uniformity isn't bad (there isn't severe differences in contrast and brightness between the top and bottom)
- Viewing angles aren't great but also aren't awful either - it's not bad for a TN panel

Bad bits:

- You can definitely tell it's a TN panel - the panel is overly bright and colours are very washed out. It isn't even as good as the AOC G2460PG I had briefly in this regard. Compared to an IPS panel it is very poor indeed

- When 144hz is enabled, the 'overdrive' function in the OSD is greyed out and set to disabled. The pixel response time doesn't seem quite as 'epic' as it did with the AOC G2460PG I had before and I'm worried that overdrive isn't functioning as a result. This isn't a freesync bug as it occurs when freeysnc is disabled as well - it would be good for an AOC rep to comment on this if this is a known bug / fault or whether at 144hz the overdrive is set to a fixed rate that cannot be changed or something similar

In short - early days. I'm on the fence at the moment; it's not bad for the price but it isn't blowing me away either. I guess the good news is that there isn't an absolute show-stopper (like epic backlight bleed and loads of dead pixels etc...).

TerminatorUK · 22 Sep 2015 at 23:47

Armadillo said:
Not mentioned, so I assume it has no strobing mode?

Nope - no strobing mode unfortunately.

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 08:55

PCM2 said:
I should be receiving this for review today or tomorrow, although won't get to try it out until tomorrow. I can advise on settings, but in the meantime I would recommend trying the different gamma modes as well, if you haven't already. I will also say this. I have noticed from all monitors I've dealt with which use that same AU Optronics M240HW01 panel that there is immense inter-unit variation in the panels themselves. Often these aren't corrected for properly by the manufacturers, leading to differences in gamma behaviour (and of course colour temperature, as expected). So it may even be worth swapping it for another, but I will advise once I get my own. If I'm honest, I wish they'd sort the panel out or in fact use a new one. That panel has been overused to high heaven on 24" 144Hz monitors now. All XL24 models, the ASUS VG248QE, AOC G2460PG and others use this same panel and they all show strange inter-unit variation beyond what you'd normally expect. The 27" models show some variation as well (even the ROG SWIFT does), but let's not go there for now.

Regarding the 144Hz behaviour with overdrive, I will inform AOC of this immediately. I noted exactly the same thing on the AOC G2460PQU I reviewed a while ago but that was supposedly rectified in newer revisions. Overdrive will be disabled at 144Hz if the setting is greyed out.

Thanks PCM - that information is massively appreciated.

It definitely feels that the overdrive is off - the image is very smooth but the response time is not 'tight' for a 1ms gtg screen - it's difficult to describe.

I have had logged a support ticket with AOC to see what they have to say about it as well - unless it is fixed then I don't understand where they would get their 1ms gtg figure from as I'm sure that requires overdrive to meet.

Regarding the colours, I improved these slightly by using the 'gamma 3' setting and dropping the constant to around 30 in the OSD but it's not exactly night and day.

I'm happy to try and correct the gamma in software, however, I'm pretty sure this isn't foolproof as doesn't games often tend to ignore this (or is that ICC profiles?) leaving the windows desktop fine but games still looking 'off'?

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 08:58

mark43 said:
Thanks for the quick feedback Termintor, that's a bit disappointing. Although as somebody who has only ever had TN panels I guess it may not bother me as much as some. I thought it a bit odd as most people seem very happy with the G2460PG, but I guess down to luck based on what PCM2 is saying.

Also the more I look at pictures the more I'm put off by the physical styling, though not a massive issue. Think I'll wait to see what you think of yours PCM2, look forward to it.

Shame there is such a lack of 24" Freesync!

No problem - I think you need to take my view with a pinch of salt - I'm a big fan of IPS screens and this feels like a big dip in image quality for the same of smoothness.

The Freesync operation and smoothness is very impressive though but it's a shame that the overdrive function seems to be disabled.

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 12:13

PCM2 said:
It's always best to try to improve things with the OSD rather than through the graphics driver, yes. I know a few tricks with AOC models to change their gamma behaviour beyond the 3 settings available, but I'll have to see if it's possible with this one first. I am eager to hear what they have to say about the 144Hz overdrive thing. It seems like they've taken a step backwards in that regard.

I'm very eager to know as well and I'm very appreciative of your help with this as information on this monitor being so new is scarce at the moment.

I'll also post back here if I get a reply from my support request on the subject.

Also very interested to know your 'tricks' if you confirm it is possible with this monitor.

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 12:54

PCM2 said:
I've got the product manager on the case, so don't worry too much if the support guy doesn't really help you out.

Thank you so much - I'm really grateful for your help

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 13:37

Finners said:
Was seriously thinking of buying this when I got home from work today but think I will hold fire now.

So with overdrive disabled does in feel like input lag?

I'm going to upgrading from a benq 24" TN panel which I think the specs says 1ms response time.

No - it doesn't feel like input lag at all (i.e. you mouse movements are light and responsive and don't feel heavy).

The screen is very 'smooth' and shows no tearing - it was a delight to play with Battlefield: Hardline when I tested it.

It feels like you are playing on a 4-5ms response time IPS panel rather than a properly overdriven TN panel; it is smooth with no tearing but is a tiny bit blurry in fast-past games which you would not expect from 1ms gtg TN panel.

It's certainly not 'bad' by any stretch of the imagination (and obviously has the advantage of zero overshoot with overdrive being off) but it feels like it is missing a trick with a true 1ms TN panel response time (which was why I got the monitor in the first place).

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 16:38

Marine-RX179 said:
Terminator I'm just curious and want you clarify on one thing...when you say you felt the TN feel washed out comparing to IPS, is it really just TN vs IPS, or could it be partly because of 1920 res vs 2560 res (I am just assuming most of the IPS monitors you've experience with would be at that res)?

Nope - nothing to do with resolution.

I have used a Asus MG279Q @ 1440p (that was really nice but bad backlight bleed and limited freesync range - that went back) but I'm comparing it side-by-side to a Dell Professional P2314H 60hz IPS monitor (which is 23", 1080p) and that runs rings around it.

I'll try and capture it in a photo tonight if possible....

TerminatorUK · 23 Sep 2015 at 19:37

Cool - let us know what you think Finners!

I'm particularly interested to know if you also have the overdrive feature greyed out / disabled in the OSD menu when you are running the screen at 144hz.