I guess you’d be fine if Tesco started charging you £200 for milk.
Definitely some special cases on this forum.
Apollo / Reddit app, API shenanigans.
Definitely some special cases on this forum.
So users were paying Apollo Ultra, the 3rd party app, to strip the adverts out of reddit.
Reddit earnt no money, whatsoever from that transaction.
Reddit already offers a premium service on their official app.
Once again, Reddit is a business. Non-profit making businesses cannot and will not survive, especially in the current tech market.
How is that even remotely comparable?
Tesco sells essentials its not a social media platform that ultimately wouldn't affect anyone if it disappeared overnight.
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They weren't stripping the adverts out at all, Reddit simply didn't offer any way of sending out adverts through their API. A point of semantics, perhaps, but still. The costs were to run backend servers to fetch notifications from Reddit (again, something they just didn't offer through their API), not to be advert-free; the app had to choice but to be advert-free.
They've also admitted that the costs to third-party devs were "opportunity costs", and not actually recouping operating cost. They've blatantly admitted they were gouging 3PD just because they could. They get around $0.12/month from standard users - they could have just charged $0.50/month for 3P users and quadrupled their income from 1m users...
You keep mentioning Apollo, but what about ALL of the other 3P apps? What number of users does that cover?
The reddit thing seems to be wider trend for internet companies (websites?). The investor cash is no longer flowing and running at a deficit while saying "but we are growing" no longer seems to cut it.
I think Elon buying twitter and implementing paid check marks is what has triggered other companies to stop and revaluate (Or hide behind Elon taking the Flack for it). Instagram started subscriptions services recently, YouTube is trying to sqeeuze more pennies out of people. Multiple online news businesses have gone bankrupt. There is probably more that I am not aware of.
I doubt the protests will work. They need money and the choice is bankruptcy or less members but still alive.
I think Elon buying twitter and implementing paid check marks is what has triggered other companies to stop and revaluate (Or hide behind Elon taking the Flack for it). Instagram started subscriptions services recently, YouTube is trying to sqeeuze more pennies out of people. Multiple online news businesses have gone bankrupt. There is probably more that I am not aware of.
I doubt the protests will work. They need money and the choice is bankruptcy or less members but still alive.
Tesco is a business, and are in it to make a profit; basically your same mindless argument. They only sell it at a reasonable price due to competition.How is that even remotely comparable?
Tesco sells essentials its not a social media platform that ultimately wouldn't affect anyone if it disappeared overnight.
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Insulin is essential yet it’s ridiculously expensive in the US. Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
The fact that your first thought is that people are upset because they feel entitled to the service is hilarious
It’s not like they’ve explored other options. The pricing is clearly there to force traffic to their site where they can resell user data and serve adverts.
They’re taking the easiest but most destructive path, where they could have just partnered with 3rd party apps. Honestly it seems like their tech stack is full of bugs and not that flexible, so their only option is to have it all happen on their site.
I'm not making an argument, once again you are comparing essentials and life-saving drugs to a social media platform, you really are deluded.Tesco is a business, and are in it to make a profit; basically your same mindless argument. They only sell it at a reasonable price due to competition.
Insulin is essential yet it’s ridiculously expensive in the US. Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
The fact that your first thought is that people are upset because they feel entitled to the service is hilarious
They are a business, they can do whatever the hell they want to their business. Just like every other business in our capitalist society, users can either adapt or vote with their wallets and stop using it.
Have you ever paid a single penny to Reddit for the years of their service? Are you a mod on a popular subreddit? No? Then you've got no opinion worth anything in the debate, same as me.
They are a business offering a luxury service, they can do whatever they damn well please
I think the issue is that Reddits app is god awful. Apollo makes Reddit useable on mobile phones.
Reddit could offer loads of solutions to this, but instead have chosen to just destroy the alternatives, leaving users stuck with the Reddit app or user-face. That to me is very very poor and as such I, and lots of others, will be actively looking to harm Reddit now.
Soldato
You think $20 million a year for Apollo to continue to be available is even remotely reasonable or close to what it’s costing Reddit to deliver those API calls?
its not that its paid its the money on the calls their putting a 4000% markup on Costs to operate. Apollo & other third party apps pay a subscription & would happy pay a little more to keep Apollo & others.
again people would use the first party app if it was usable but its not.
On a side note, unrelated but interesting question
If a user paid for reddit premium then That user then used his own 3rd party app to read reddit should he pay twice at the 4000% markup?
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This is PRECISELY the entitlement I was referring to.
It's a business that you are actively looking to harm, because they changed their business model? It's one thing to stop using it, that's your choice. But to actively attack it? Stinks of entitlement.
I've used the official app for a long time on mobile, it's fine. People are crying because they won't get a completely free service any longer via ad-free 3rd party apps.
The platform is better off without toxic individuals like that.
Apollo had 1million users that Reddit earnt no money from at all. Is that reasonable too?
I have no issues with the native Android app, either. Agreed on the dumpster fire that was "old Reddit".
I didn't know there were other apps than the main Reddit one until all this started tbh. Reddit is useful for somethings like networking (IT) but mostly just seems to be a way to tell you you're a bigot if you don't celebrate every trans wannabe Barry/Beryl with a wig as if they are the most beautiful person on the planet and also hate republicans despite me not caring because I'm not american. It's all just tiktok, twitter, tumbler and 4chan reposts so who cares if it goes.
Soldato
I use the standard Reddit App and don't see what the issue is with it. I'll continue to use it unless the subs I use go offline, at which point I'll just find something else - but hopefully not more GD presence, because genuine LOL at those in this thread trying to criticise Reddit content on an OcUK GD thread.
Irony alert... Irony alert...
Irony alert... Irony alert...
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Soldato
Yeh, I use RIF and once that's gone, no more Reddit for me, **** 'em.