*** Apple event 10th November @ 6pm - One More Thing: Apple Silicon Macs Reveal ***

I think Apple keynot was fine, 99% of people who watch the keynote wouldn't even know what an i5/i7 XXYXZZ is, so Apple cut to the chase, Its faster. In specific workloads no doubt but the workloads that a majority use I imagine.

Personally, I am sorely tempted by picking up one. I have a Ryzen Desktop now (2600x) but I could always repurpose this as a server for any "heavy lifting". I use my PC for Chrome and some self study e.g. Docker, K8S, Jenkins and so forth. I could easily just run that stuff on my now server (Ex desktop) and have the pretty macbook on my desk and just SSH to it. Would certainly clean my office up a fair bit!
 
HACO said:
But GPU performance isn't related to ISA as you only need to make sure everything is compatible, i.e. no emulation so I'm sure that will be fine. That's why Apple showing Tomb Raider on Rosetta during WWDC wasn't exactly a tough task for their chips.

CPU performance is what's mostly affected by emulation.



It's a common occurrence that people tend to dismiss any benchmarks that show ARM closing the gap with x86, or in this case, completely bridge it, as "not relevant", "not real", "not good", or "not representative" and they're just running out of benchmarks where x86 has any meaningful lead. In most cases it stems from either not doing the actual research into how much ARM-based chips have improved, or in some cases x86 (or Intel/AMD/PCMR) fanboyism that wants to pretend like only Intel and AMD can make "real" CPUs.
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So you must really just love ARM then?

These arm chips are just going to perform well on apps optimised on the mac and their own 1st party apps, doesnt mean they'll be anywhere near AMD (and possibly intel) when it comes to other real world applications
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
I think Apple keynot was fine, 99% of people who watch the keynote wouldn't even know what an i5/i7 XXYXZZ is, so Apple cut to the chase, Its faster. In specific workloads no doubt but the workloads that a majority use I imagine.

Personally, I am sorely tempted by picking up one. I have a Ryzen Desktop now (2600x) but I could always repurpose this as a server for any "heavy lifting". I use my PC for Chrome and some self study e.g. Docker, K8S, Jenkins and so forth. I could easily just run that stuff on my now server (Ex desktop) and have the pretty macbook on my desk and just SSH to it. Would certainly clean my office up a fair bit!
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Yeah pretty much. The majority of people buying these wouldnt even know what any of this tech stuff means, they'll just buy it for the logo
 
ZP9 said:
So you must really just love ARM then?

These arm chips are just going to perform well on apps optimised on the mac and their own 1st party apps, doesnt mean they'll be anywhere near AMD (and possibly intel) when it comes to other real world applications
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Another personal shot like you did before, I'm just going to ignore these.

As for your second comment, I'll just leave it there until we see more benchmarks out of the retail units, even though Anandtech's SPEC results already showed you're very wrong about that (SPEC isn't a first party Apple app, lol).
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
I think Apple keynot was fine, 99% of people who watch the keynote wouldn't even know what an i5/i7 XXYXZZ is, so Apple cut to the chase, Its faster. In specific workloads no doubt but the workloads that a majority use I imagine.
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Totally, the graphs and numbers in the keynote were just marketing stuff for generic non-tech news websites (and for YouTubers to rely on, lol). They didn't even say what they were comparing them against.
 
Armageus said:
Semantics
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Its the entire point. These chips are built from the ground up by Apple. If they were just a SKU you could buy from ARM all Android phones would be running these A series processors. The instruction set doesn’t mean it automatically becomes an amazing chip design / architecture/ silicon fabrication.

Just the same as x86 doesn’t mean all chips are designed the same. An intel and AMD chip are not the same in implementation.
 
HACO said:
Totally, the graphs and numbers in the keynote were just marketing stuff for generic non-tech news websites (and for YouTubers to rely on, lol). They didn't even say what they were comparing them against.
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They said it was latest PC chips, so I assume maybe the newest celeron or i3
 
HACO said:
As for your second comment, I'll just leave it there until we see more benchmarks out of the retail units, even though Anandtech's SPEC results already showed you're very wrong about that (SPEC isn't a first party Apple app, lol).
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I don't get how people can say that stuff that are 'universal binaries' aren't real world applications lol - of course stuff compiled for Apple Silicon are gonna run better, same as stuff for x86 funnily enough runs better on that architecture. I'm fully expecting this to challenge properly and it's a first gen implementation. I am eagerly awaiting the other data that will come though as you are.

b0rn2sk8 said:
All they had to say was, to our last gen MacBook Air or the Dell <insert uninspiring laptop here> and those claims would have been perfectly valid.
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But they wouldn't have been valid would they, because people like yourself would have immediately been saying oh they've singled out a specific use model/build, I'm sure they've done comparisons between a market average and come up with these numbers.
 
Throrik said:
I don't get how people can say that stuff that are 'universal binaries' aren't real world applications lol - of course stuff compiled for Apple Silicon are gonna run better, same as stuff for x86 funnily enough runs better on that architecture. I'm fully expecting this to challenge properly and it's a first gen implementation. I am eagerly awaiting the other data that will come though as you are.



But they wouldn't have been valid would they, because people like yourself would have immediately been saying oh they've singled out a specific use model/build, I'm sure they've done comparisons between a market average and come up with these numbers.
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I’m with you on the universal binaries. It’s fine and how it should be done.

However, they could easily have put a little foot note at the bottom of slide which said 2020 MacBook Air XGHz it’s not hard or difficult to comprehend.

They specifically quoted ‘the best selling PC laptop’, there can only be one just say what it is in a footnote on the side. Tell me then, what is the best selling laptop in the segment? Let’s be real it will be some £400 junk laptop that people/businesses buy in their droves because it’s cheap.

They don’t need to go into detail in the narrative, anyone who is interested can work the rest out for themselves everyone else isn’t going to care either way.

The fastest single core performance claim was largely fine and is easy to compare. Basically is has to beat a 10900k and a 5950x, that’s pretty simple.

They could have easily put that detail out there but Apple is Apple and they can get away with it and people will defend them on it which is nuts. If this was someone like Microsoft everyone would be outraged that they were so vague about their claims. You can’t compare your new chip to something, say it’s better but not even say why your comparing it to...

I even said it looks like a good product and I am considering buying one. Im just not spending £1k on gen1 Apple without some 3rd party validation from someone other than iJustine, especially when their performance comparisons were complete nonsense.
 
Can someone more familiar with benchmarking put into context the GPU ~1200 in the raster test score? How would this be compared to the iGPU in the current lineups?
 
HACO said:
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/124022-benchmark-1900-results/

These are the user posted benchmarks. Ignore the non-Metal ones as they use different frameworks on Windows.
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Wow so that's pretty good (in my limited understanding) form ~1200 on the iGPU to ~7900 on the M1.

JGBR said:
never buy a first gen apple product, history shows they will quickly phase it out and give something better.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11/m1-macbook-air-first-benchmark/
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Utter drivel, you've never buy anything if you were worried about something better coming out constantly... As soon as your new phone is out something better is being done, same with PCs, Cars etc.
 
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