Are England unmanageable?

I think they are manageable, However

1) Would need a manager that wouldn't take **** from the players
2) Would need to be accepted by the public
3) Would need to be accepted by the media
4) Would need to be allowed time to work
5) Would need to be tactically shrewd

This manager does not exist. Or he does bu currently manages Man Utd and or Real Madrid.

In my opinion ofcourse
 
Venables is the last manager widely regarded as having done a good job, says it all that.

To be seen as a success will take winning a tournament, or coming very close and playing exciting football along the way. Problem is we don't have the players to make either of those likely, so in that sense we are unmanageable. Being an unpolular choice also makes the job exponentially more difficult.
 
I think a big issue is everyone overrating English players and subsequently having unrealistically high expectations.
 
The players are manageable but managing a bunch of fat useless overpaid thugs well still won't give us the results we want.
 
Currently I'm inclined to think yes, I don't see how anyone can effectively manage an international team when the main source of players, the PL clubs, are so opposed to the international set-up in principle.

Whether it's just because we're more exposed to that conflict here and that the same goes on in other countries to the same degree, it does seem that when you look at all the other successful international countries out there, there seems to be a far better working relationship between club and country in terms of release of players and allowing preparation for the big events.

It's something which cricket and rugby (the latter only recently) have seemingly got right - perhaps the FA could learn (lolololol good one) from those examples.
 
As far as I'm concerned the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand & Terry should be no where near the England squad for the Euro's, get a manager in who's prepared to end their international careers and almost start over and I think half the battle is won. The potential of the younger England players far outweighs the experience that the aforementioned players bring imo
 
Gerrard and Lampard are both playing well and even if we did dump them now who else is there? This'll be the last big tournament for both but we'll be far weaker without them.
 
They should appoint me & Vinnie Jones & I'll be the reasonable one !!!
 
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Gerrard and Lampard are both playing well and even if we did dump them now who else is there? This'll be the last big tournament for both but we'll be far weaker without them.
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Disagree that either are playing well and if we agree that England aren't going to win the tournament with them then dump them now and give some big tournament experience to the likes of Cleverley and dare I say even Henderson (I would say Rodwell & Wilshire as well but IIRC both have been ruled out).

I see absolutely nothing to gain from going into another tournament with Parker, Barry, Gerrard & Lampard in midfield and going out at the first knock out stage/1/4 finals again.
 
Tom84 said:
As far as I'm concerned the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand & Terry should be no where near the England squad for the Euro's, get a manager in who's prepared to end their international careers and almost start over and I think half the battle is won. The potential of the younger England players far outweighs the experience that the aforementioned players bring imo
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Couldn't agree more (though it extends to most of the first team these days).

England are only unmanageable as it seems like every England manager has had to pander to Sky sports news for team selection and tactics.

Bring someone in who can look beyond the idea that the media have to be appeased and "prem experience" being a quality that players should have, neither help and both make a mess of the system
 
I want the best team that can be put together, not the best individuals.

I accept in that, you may have 'weaker' players on paper to forfil certain roles. Thats how it works.

I think Redknapp has the bottle to put out that sort of team, so for me ticks the boxes, the other 'choice' (god, are we REALLY that desperate, really?) makes me wonder if I can be bothered to watch the summer football.

We need a big manager, a big personality. Redknapp/Ferguson/Mouriniho/etc is what we need.
 
Stewy said:
I think a big issue is everyone overrating English players and subsequently having unrealistically high expectations.
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Totally this. I find most tournements unbearable, though I'm never sure if it's because of the bad quality or the terrible excuses die hard fans come up with. Bit like some of the comments DiCe! made (sorry DiCe! :o).
 
England aren't unmanageable, the players are more than capable of doing better than they have, old players being ignored because the English fans have got a bee in their bonnet about how useless old players are this year is absurd.

Seriously a Utd fan said that in this thread, the Utd fan whose team flounded quite badly till they brought in Scholes who put to shame almost the entire squad in terms of the quality he provided having not played for what, 7-8 months and without being in training.

These same "old guard, old players, past it, youth is the bestest" loud mob were also the ones harping on about how Chelsea had to ditch Lampard, Drogba and Terry, who have been nothing short of brilliant in getting Chelsea to the biggest final this season...... but they aren't good enough for England. Lampard set up at least one of the crucial goals that knocked out, to a large degree, the Spanish team.... but he shouldn't be involved :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The only thing that is a problem is the English public. We need firstly a good CUP manager, not whoever is most popular that season to the ignorant masses. Secondly, we need good performances NOT results, we need to let a manager shape and change a team even if that means losing some worthless Euro qualifiers and friendlies, we need to peak for the finals, not the qualifiers, we need the best SQUAD not the best individuals, we need most of the best players, not who is most popular, we need people to fill specific positions not those who want to do their own thing.

If the performances are right, and we do well but don't get as far as people want in a cup, we need to keep going.

Capello made a **** team who played **** yet got quite far, and should have been fired. Cup's are what they are, ANY team can go out in the group stage, getting to the quarters, or the Semi's doesn't make you a great team, it makes you lucky. The football Capello produced would never, ever win a final(or likely get to one) luck only takes you so far(Holland), when the performance is awful you will lose.
 
The players think they are world class, believe their own hype and media image then fail at beating teams like USA/Algeria, need a whole new ethic towards English national football.
 
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Tom84 said:
Disagree that either are playing well and if we agree that England aren't going to win the tournament with them then dump them now and give some big tournament experience to the likes of Cleverley and dare I say even Henderson (I would say Rodwell & Wilshire as well but IIRC both have been ruled out).

I see absolutely nothing to gain from going into another tournament with Parker, Barry, Gerrard & Lampard in midfield and going out at the first knock out stage/1/4 finals again.
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I think it'd be a travesty to see someone like Cleverley picked (for the first XI at least), he's played 34 Prem games in his entire career (so basically 1 season) and virtually nothing since September. I liked the look of him at Wigan but too soon for him right now. If he was bossing the show like Owen / Rooney did in breakthrough seasons then fair enough but I certainly wouldn't pick him ahead of Lampard who even in a so-called 'bad' season is 3rd top English scorer in the league.

Giving experience to younger players is all well and good if they actually have what it takes to progress beyond quarterfinals in future tournaments, but I think that is far from certain. How many trees has Cleverley ripped up, are the Spanish, Dutch, Germans etc going "oh **** it's Jordan Henderson, watch out boys!!". We took Walcott in 2006 to give him big tournament experience and 6 years later are still waiting for him to deliver (Croatia game notwithstanding).

edit: Just to clarify the above, I look at the current crop of young players and I don't think it is massively better than how things looked at the turn of the century with Owen, Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Rio etc coming through. Or a couple of years later when we had an U21 side featuring Defoe, Coles, Carrick, Jeffers(!) etc Yes there are some 'promising talents' out there but very, very few who have actually established themselves as future greats and racked up a decent number of solid prem performances.

Yes one could argue that Lamps, Stevie G et al have "had their chance" but the fact is they have consistently delivered a high level of performance at club/european level over an extended period and have the sort of calibre that would actually worry other teams. Personally I'd say lets have one last hurrah, as I think the benefit from 'blooding some youngsters' would be very limited and I really can't see it putting us in a position to be successful at WC2014 with the players we have.
 
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Yes.

The sponsorship and TV deals that the FA have mean certain players have to be picked regardless of their contribution to the team.

You will notice that if fit, certain players will always play x% of england games, regardless of if its a friendly or competative.

If they have a deal with an overseas broadcaster then that broadcaster will more or less pick the side that plays.
 
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