Are EU and UK governments pricing the youngsters out of the freedom and fun of car ownership?

The poster I responded to was talking about warnings, not self driving capability.

If you're having to routinely turn that off because it's constantly going off, then you're routinely driving like a ****. You become an argument to ensure such systems can't be disabled by morons.

My link is about Lane Departure Warning. That's what everyone complains about.

What warnings are you referring to?
 
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...wo-million-bmw-vehicles-worldwide?language=en

New and enhanced functions.
  • Unnecessary steering interventions can be avoided with the improved Lane Departure Warning on narrowing roads without centre markings, as well as calculated cornering.
This is on modern cars. If you think a lot of the earlier versions of a lot of these assist systems weren't even more flawed, then I'm not sure you've driven early ADAS systems.

Even Tesla's autopilot needs to be overruled/ignored on UK roads frequently and that is bleeding edge tech.

Exactly. These systems are proper glitchy and cannot read less than perfect road markings or signs properly. They don't work well in bad weather either (which in the UK is most of the year). You get a lot of false positives and they miss things, which makes them un-trustworthy. The same applies to the AI controlled cars.
 
Exactly. These systems are proper glitchy and cannot read less than perfect road markings or signs properly. They don't work well in bad weather either (which in the UK is most of the year).
They are an assist that are great on most conditions and the fact you can turn it off on a steering wheel button hardly makes it instrusive. What have you driven with it ?
 
They are an assist that are great on most conditions and the fact you can turn it off on a steering wheel button hardly makes it instrusive. What have you driven with it ?

Not long ago I had a Toyota just decide to randomly "emergency brake" in the middle of the road while overtaking parked cars. This is the kind of thing they do, I'm far from the only one who has experienced it. So OFC it got switched off immediately.
 
Not long ago I had a Toyota just decide to randomly "emergency brake" in the middle of the road while overtaking parked cars. This is the kind of thing they do, I'm far from the only one who has experienced it. So OFC it got switched off immediately.
I've also had the same issue passing parked cars in a Volvo V60. I was slowly rolling up to the back of them waiting for an oncoming car to pass me before I pulled out and the Volvo decided to slam on when I still had 5-10 metres left. I think it's an issue that will resolve itself as the technology gets better and more common, but at the moment some of them aren't great.
 
I've also had the same issue passing parked cars in a Volvo V60. I was slowly rolling up to the back of them waiting for an oncoming car to pass me before I pulled out and the Volvo decided to slam on when I still had 5-10 metres left. I think it's an issue that will resolve itself as the technology gets better and more common, but at the moment some of them aren't great.

I don't think they will. You always get these issues when asking a computer to read the real world. It's asking digital brain to find it's way around an analogue reality.
 
I think the main thing which has changed is the people themselves.

The current generation of younger people are on the whole more entitled, influenced by social media and far more materialistic.

Don't get me wrong, when I was 17 I would have loved to have had something flash or prestigious but it was not achievable.

The amount of fresh 17 year old drivers I see in brand spanking new off the forecourt metal these days is immense. Quite clearly it's affordable be it finance, bank of mum and dad or otherwise.

As has been highlighted on this thread there are PLENTY of cheap BRAND NEW cars. But posting a Dacia to your social media feed isn't cool is it?
 
The same generation who think they can walk in to a cushy job straight out of uni. Then have a tantrum when you say no, because degreeeee (in some irrelevant subject, making them actually less desirable).
 
The same generation who think they can walk in to a cushy job straight out of uni. Then have a tantrum when you say no, because degreeeee (in some irrelevant subject, making them actually less desirable).

was like that 20 years ago. I interviewed a new graduate who didn’t have any qualms saying he wasn’t prepared to get out of bed for less than £25k. At the time I could have employed a person who had done that job for 10 years for that money
 
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