Are new full fat Hawaii XT cards on the way ?

[Kaapstad]

You have been the one speculating . I was pointing out how well the 750Ti performs with such low specs (as an actual reference) showing that a full fat 28nm Maxwell, could quite easily beat a 780Ti.

Don't think so I am not the one pushing those dodgy specs for the err GTX 880, I am the one saying they are rubbish. You are the one trying to link the performance of the 750ti and GTX 880.

If ever the GTX 880 shows up with a 256bit bus it will mean it is a mid range card and lower mid range at that.

 

[humbug]

I think what will happen is it will be a 200 Watt GPU with the performance somewhere <GTX 780TI and cost £400<

 

[Marine-RX179]

You have been the one speculating . I was pointing out how well the 750Ti performs with such low specs (as an actual reference) showing that a full fat 28nm Maxwell, could quite easily beat a 780Ti.

There's not nothing "amazing" about the 750Ti's performance relative to its price point...it's slower than and same price as the R7 265 (7850). The only thing it had going for it was its low power-consumption.

If the GTX880 does come up beating the GTX780Ti, don't expect it to be cheaper than it; even when the GTX680 was faster than the GTX580, it was priced higher than it as well.

 

[triss]

Its a case of wait and see the real specs for both vendors cards iom,, and yes AMD had no need at the release point of time for a full fat Hawaii just like Nvidia didnt when it released the first titans .
Bascially both venders are happy to take your hard earned money and already have its replacement sitting on the self waiting for your next pay
^^Which is simply business and i dont mind tbh

 

[humbug]

Its a case of wait and see the real specs for both vendors cards iom,, and yes AMD had no need at the release point of time for a full fat Hawaii just like Nvidia didnt when it released the first titans .
Bascially both venders are happy to take your hard earned money and already have its replacement sitting on the self waiting for your next pay
^^Which is simply business and i dont mind tbh

Agreed on all of that, but, on Hawaii full fat, is time is running out for the Full Fat Hawaii? how long before we should be seeing the first 20nm GPU's? AMD might not have a need for the full fat but will release it around the GTX 880 just because they have it and time is getting on.

I suspect the new top of the line AMD GPU's will get around as soon as Nvidia release the Maxwell 880TI

 

[Rofflay]

290x needs improved the power required is stupid and they need a bump up to 780ti levels. It will happen but it will be made awkward by the 295x2 as well. Perhaps we will see it at the prices OCUK did on the instore event? You just have to look at what is trending, Which is 4K/120hz and low power neither of which a 290X comes close too. Even two of them wanting 1200w is stupid for 2014.


I wouldnt bet on anything over a 780ti level but i would bet on much lower thermals and power. I will be stunned if they go all out on a really hot and hungry 780ti killer as AMD and Nvidia seem pretty cosy in bed with the current snail pace and higher prices.

 

[humbug]

290x needs improved the power required is stupid and they need a bump up to 780ti levels. It will happen but it will be made awkward by the 295x2 as well. Perhaps we will see it at the prices OCUK did on the instore event? You just have to look at what is trending, Which is 4K and low power neither of which a 290X comes close too. Even two of them wanting 1200w is stupid for 2014.


I wouldnt bet on anything over a 780ti level but i would bet on much lower thermals and power.

Meh... its a 275 Wattt GPU vs a 250 Watt GPU, i think the 10% power difference is blown way out of proportion, not helped by AMD's rubbish crappy junk ref- cooler which has apparently intelligent people thinking an AIB cooled one burns a hole through the earth crust when in fact the thermals are the same as any Nvidia AIB cooled card.

As i said before and i agree with you the 880 will have better power, maybe 50 Watts less than the GTX 780TI, but i still think it will be the faster card and Nvidia will use its power credentials to justify the price of it.

I think they will make a big song and dance about it, stir up the church mentality in those who would respond to that and then whack a great price on it.

 

[Rofflay]

Well they can justify it because there is a real need for it at the minute. Battlefield 4 at 120hz 1080p on Ultra will see you 89fps minimum on a 295x2 and that will cost you £1150?

What is the point of Tress FX/Physx/Gameworks when you cannot turn it on at a next gen level? 4K 60 is in the same boat you need to spend over a grand to play AAA titles now on Ultra. I would like to think it is something they will address because it cannot go on like this forever can it? Someone needs to blow someone out of the water to take us to the next-gen or offer the 295x2 at the £750 mark OCUK did. That is actually pretty reasonable i guess for an early adopter of 4k60hz.

 

[Jono8]

There's not nothing "amazing" about the 750Ti's performance relative to its price point...it's slower than and same price as the R7 265 (7850). The only thing it had going for it was its low power-consumption.

If the GTX880 does come up beating the GTX780Ti, don't expect it to be cheaper than it; even when the GTX680 was faster than the GTX580, it was priced higher than it as well.

A. I never commented on the price of the 750Ti, just it's specs and relative performance (ie it extracts more performance out of lower specs whilst using loads less power, showing that the Maxwell architecture is very efficient )

B. Prices don't just keep going up with every new generation, in fact the 480,580 and 680 have all been fairly similarly priced on release. £400-£450. Higher performing card will replace certain cards at a certain price point. Hence price drops etc.

 

[Jono8]

Don't think so I am not the one pushing those dodgy specs for the err GTX 880, I am the one saying they are rubbish. You are the one trying to link the performance of the 750ti and GTX 880.

If ever the GTX 880 shows up with a 256bit bus it will mean it is a mid range card and lower mid range at that.

But in fairness the 750Ti IS Maxwell architecture and on 28nm which should be a pretty good indicator of what is to come. So judging by the 750Ti, if Nvidia release a maxwell card with the same number of cores, TMUS, Rops etc as a 780Ti and perhaps clock it higher, it looks like it would be a good bit faster.

I too am taking the proposed specs of the 880 with a pinch of salt as they are most likely wrong.

 

[Kaapstad]

But in fairness the 750Ti IS Maxwell architecture and on 28nm which should be a pretty good indicator of what is to come. So judging by the 750Ti, if Nvidia release a maxwell card with the same number of cores, TMUS, Rops etc as a 780Ti and perhaps clock it higher, it looks like it would be a good bit faster.

I too am taking the proposed specs of the 880 with a pinch of salt as they are most likely wrong.

A very crude way of doing it is to compare the total number of transistor in a GPU and the clockspeeds used. If both a Kepler and Maxwell card use the same number of transistors @28nm I would expect the Maxwell card to be about 5% or 10% faster due to being a newer more refined and optimised design.

The above method is very crude but works very well when comparing AMD and NVidia cards.

I suspect the real specs for a GTX 880 could be as simple as multiplying by the specs used for the 750ti by 3, this would give something like this.

750ti actual
880 My prediction

Base clock
1020mhz
900mhz

Boost clock
1085mhz
950mhz

Memory clock
1350mhz
1750mhz

Stream processors
640
1920

Texture units
40
120

ROPs
16
48

Mem bus
128bit
384bit

Transistors
1.87
5.61

This would produce a card that would be around the same performance as a GTX 780 but more efficient.

 

[garyfl]

i think maybe they will phase out the 780ti, bring in the 880 to replace it, with lower thermals, more efficient design, slightly less cost, then release the 880ti afterwords

 

[Gibbo]

Guys

I have closed this thread, as I am the person who is regular in touch with AMD discussing new projects/ideas and I believe that Ian (8 Pack) might have jumped the gun here.

Yes I have asked AMD on numerous occaisons regarding a potential faster 290X part, as rumoured here a full fat part.

But AMD have not confirmed anything and there is no mention of a 290 XTX from AMD.

As such I have closed this thread as this is causing a major rumour in the market that right now is exactly that just a rumour, AMD have confirmed nothing to us.