Are new full fat Hawaii XT cards on the way ?

JediFragger · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:42

New cooler and a clock boost to 1050 maybe? Faster ram too?

Orangey · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:42

JediFragger · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:42

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Typical ~~Nvidia~~ AMD, releasing the high-mid range part as the high end part and then releasing the proper high end part later... pfft bloody ~~Nvidia~~ AMD!

LOL!

Gerard · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:43

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Typical ~~Nvidia~~ AMD, releasing the high-mid range part as the high end part and then releasing the proper high end part later... pfft bloody ~~Nvidia~~ AMD!

High end part = 295x2

humbug · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:48

Gerard said:
Didn't think it would be much of a boost, still it could be worthwhile if they come with new coolers and a cooler running temperature, seems a lot of people are put off by the heat they can generate.

if you get one with a half decent cooler, honestly they are not at all hot

admittedly mine has one of if not thie best Air coolers, on a custom quiet fan profile it never gets past 75c while the GPU is running flat out at 1150/1400 in BF4 Mantle with the fans at 45%. its very quiet at that, just about as quiet as my Gigabyte 7870 WF x3 was.

But they do dump a bit of heat into the case, all you need is a half decent case with well managed air flow to push that heat out, my HAF 912+ does that very well, @ £70 its not expensive.

Gerard · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:52

humbug said:
if you get one with a half decent cooler, honestly they are not at all hot

admittedly mine has one of if not thie best Air coolers, on a custom quiet fan profile it never gets past 75c while the GPU is running flat out at 1150/1400 in BF4 Mantle with the fans at 45%. its very quiet at that, just about as quiet as my Gigabyte 7870 WF x3 was.

But they do dump a bit of heat into the case, all you need is a half decent case with well managed air flow to push that heat out, my HAF 912+ does that very well, @ £70 its not expensive.

Running a 750d at present here which is ok for airflow so far. Awaiting rma from asus on my 7990, should be interesting to see what they want to replace it with or if my warranty gets voided which I think is far more likely.

Kaapstad · 20 Jun 2014 at 23:55

Removed!

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:07

Gerard said:
Running a 750d at present here which is ok for airflow so far. Awaiting rma from asus on my 7990, should be interesting to see what they want to replace it with or if my warranty gets voided which I think is far more likely.

The 750D does not have good airflow at all, the solid front cover block most of the intake flow. watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69TjD30Rak

I'm trying to find one that's around where a guy put a candle inside the case.

With the cover on the candle didn't even flicker, as soon as he pulled the front cover off the candle went out.

triss · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:27

Kaapstad said:
In theory a 290X is 10% faster than a 290P, in practice as they don't overclock as well so it is about 7%. So yes about another 7% on top of a 290X.

Would it be another 7% though kaap or could we assume they will clock slightly less well like the 290x does vs the 290 and say 5%?
Or is there a simple trick they could so to make it clock aswell as a 290 ?

Boomstick777 · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:31

In theory how much faster than current cards could these be?

What on earth would they cool them with?

heighnub · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:36

Kaapstad said:
They seem to work around 256

10 x 256 = 2560 (290P)

11 x 256 = 2816 (290X)

12 x 256 = 3072 (290?)

The chip is divided into groups of "compute units", each with 64 SP's, so:
290: 40x64
290x: 44x64

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:41

Boomstick777 said:
In theory how much faster than current cards could these be?

What on earth would they cool them with?

Depends on how many cores it has, and clocks.

example
290P = 2560
290X = 2816 +10% '+256SP' (+7% perf)

so
290X + 256SP = 3072 @ 1000/ 1250 (+7% perf)
290X + 256SP = 3072 @ 1050/ 1500 (+13% perf)
290X + 512SP = 3328 @ 1000/ 1250 (+ 15% perf)
290X + 512SP = 3328 @ 1050/ 1250 (+ 20% perf)

8Pack indicated its not going to be cooled by the old ref cooler

Jokester · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:45

Can't see it being much more than 10% unless they've completely respun it to reduce power consumption to allow a bigger increase in compute numbers.

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:46

Jokester said:
Can't see it being much more than 10% unless they've completely respun it to reduce power consumption to allow a bigger increase in compute numbers.

I tend to agree, so

290X + 256SP = 3072 @ 1050/ 1500 (+13% perf)

or

290X + 512SP = 3328 @ 1000/ 1250 (+ 15% perf)

kazuya1337 · 21 Jun 2014 at 00:52

Then Nvidia releases the Titan Z Black for $3999.99

Dicehunter · 21 Jun 2014 at 01:45

Kaapstad said:
Yes

I am waiting for the next gen cards.

When the "New" AMD cards land everyone knows you will jump right on them

Gerard · 21 Jun 2014 at 02:04

humbug said:
The 750D does not have good airflow at all, the solid front cover block most of the intake flow. watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69TjD30Rak

I'm trying to find one that's around where a guy put a candle inside the case.

With the cover on the candle didn't even flicker, as soon as he pulled the front cover off the candle went out.

Seen it, i don't have the cover on so airflow is fine. Same issue with the card overheating in my fortress ft02 and that's a great airflow case.

Boomstick777 · 21 Jun 2014 at 02:16

Kaapstad said:
Yes

I am waiting for the next gen cards.

So only 4 Hawaii XT's then?

trisp · 21 Jun 2014 at 02:21

Cant tell if nvidia are gonna try and milk this next round or not...

PhysicsMan94 · 21 Jun 2014 at 02:30

I'm pretty sure Nvidia aren't the only ones "milking" in this industry, I hate that term anyway. It's just business, if a company can produce several products for a relatively low cost from the "same line" that lots of people will buy then of course they will profit from it and continue to do so. And who can blame them really? They aren't charities...