Are OCUK Forums in decline?

Maccy said:
No, you're just a dirty racist :p

On the subject of comments towards other people in general on the forums, this really annoys me. People, in general, show respect towards us moderators and we in turn are expected to show respect in return. I don't think it's a big ask to show some respect towards each other, no? Sure, people won't always agree and it would be a pretty dull place (like a car club) if we all shared the same viewpoint, but there is a difference in having a heated but mature debate and just insulting a member for his/her attitude and then having others jump on the bandwagon. I think a fine example of this, and whilst he sometimes posts odd things with little conent, is stockhausen.

I don't have time to open this up for debate now as I'm off lunch now, but think it's something that we should all think about - how we act towards others.
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As you personally know, I've beaten this drum for a long time. Mob mentality in GD is pretty dire at times.

It's made even worse when moderators endorse it, either by contributing to it directly or indirectly.
 
I suppose one way we could do this is, would you feel comfortable using certain terms or stating certain opinions in a typical London pub. I.e. people of all creeds, religions, and sexes. So if you could shout out at the top of your voice anything and get away with it then it's probably acceptable on the forums. I'd suggest that a lot of things will either get you barred, have the police called or getting a good hiding. :p
 
Freefaller said:
People can discuss their opinions on it, however overtly talking about their drug taking is not acceptable or encouraging their use or trying to mitigate a reason for acceptance is not.

That "drugs smell" thread has been moderated but is still around discussing it. :)
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But surely some opinions are formed based on experience of use, just like other opinions are formed on indirect experience of use.

Obviously some like "Imma go smoke some crack, lolz" is over the line, but discussing past experiences in a rational way should be allowed. Not all people who have used anything in the past will necessarily speak positively of them.

Was just a thought, even though I am pro-drug discussion and anti-racist discussion, I would rather have neither than both.
 
It's the best and worst part of the internet. The anonymity.

You can preach extreme views and face very little repercussion as opposed to your day to day life.
 
krooton said:
But surely some opinions are formed based on experience of use, just like other opinions are formed on indirect experience of use.

Obviously some like "Imma go smoke some crack, lolz" is over the line, but discussing past experiences in a rational way should be allowed. Not all people who have used anything in the past will necessarily speak positively of them.

Was just a thought, even though I am pro-drug discussion and anti-racist discussion, I would rather have neither than both.
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Bear in mind that we have a lot of younger members and the last thing we want is to glamourise them or deem them "ok" as everyone reacts differently to them.

Discussing their legislation is fine, discussing the specific positives and negatives of them starts to become far too "intimate" for my liking.
 
Freefaller said:
I suppose one way we could do this is, would you feel comfortable using certain terms or stating certain opinions in a typical London pub. I.e. people of all creeds, religions, and sexes. So if you could shout out at the top of your voice anything and get away with it then it's probably acceptable on the forums. I'd suggest that a lot of things will either get you barred, have the police called or getting a good hiding. :p
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If only everyone kept this sort of mindset, but everyone has bee victim to online anonymity at some point and just let rip. A few years back there was a poster who seemed to be as stupid as you could be before being diagnosed with learning difficulties, and his constant trash posts would wind me up so much that I eventually started slating him repeatedly.

I like to think I have zenned a bit beyond that now, phew.
 
Nitefly said:
Aedus, I don't like how dirtydog comes accross, but I personally don't think any of those are actionable.

I just laugh at his view point and move on.
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That's what the problem is, it should be actionable because anyone everyone here knows exactly what he means.

Freefaller said:
I disagree with DD 100% in every way. However just to play devil's advocate...

He is offering his opinion - it's a tough call though. Personally I want to delete the posts, and suspend him for being intollerant, but can I really do that?! It is his perception of how he sees the world, we cannot change his opinion or who he is, it is sad the he feels the way he does :( However, it helps us appreciate how well balanced the rest of us are.
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I showed my girlfriend his posts, and her opinion of him is that "He's a ****ing bigoted **** who needs to get a life".

The question is, will I get banned now for "Personal attacks"? by some logic, it's not my opinion, it could be, but I never stated it was my opinion, but then again I just typed it. So what do you do? Why should rules be black and white? It's clear what she meant when she said it, but because I haven't directly said it to him, and I haven't stated I agree with the statement, technically it's not breaking a rule.

People can just bend rules as they see fit with how they word things, but the actual meaning is still there no matter how much it's sugar coated.
 
Freefaller said:
Bear in mind that we have a lot of younger members and the last thing we want is to glamourise them or deem them "ok" as everyone reacts differently to them.

Discussing their legislation is fine, discussing the specific positives and negatives of them starts to become far too "intimate" for my liking.
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I know and agree, but I would similarly not want young minds being swayed by "send them back" propaganda.
 
I'm pretty sure the more mouthy people on here wouldn't even dream of being the same in real life :p Dirtydog being one of them, hence why he can get away with what he says on the internet (I'm not just talking about this forum but in general) ;)
 
Aedus said:
I showed my girlfriend his posts, and her opinion of him is that he's a ****ing bigoted **** who needs to get a life.

The question is, will I get banned now for "Personal attacks"? by some logic, it's not my opinion, it could be, but I never stated it was my opinion, but then again I just typed it. So what do you do? Why should rules be black and white? It's clear what she meant when she said it, but because I haven't directly said it to him, and I haven't stated I agree with the statement, technically it's not breaking a rule.

People can just bend rules as they see fit with how they word things, but the actual meaning is still there no matter how much it's sugar coated.
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Regardless you've posted a direct insult towards the person, even if it wasn't you who said it.
 
Freefaller said:
Bear in mind that we have a lot of younger members and the last thing we want is to glamourise them or deem them "ok" as everyone reacts differently to them.

Discussing their legislation is fine, discussing the specific positives and negatives of them starts to become far too "intimate" for my liking.
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Younger members who are fine to be subjected to inherently racist posts?
 
krooton said:
If only everyone kept this sort of mindset, but everyone has bee victim to online anonymity at some point and just let rip. A few years back there was a poster who seemed to be as stupid as you could be before being diagnosed with learning difficulties, and his constant trash posts would wind me up so much that I eventually started slating him repeatedly.

I like to think I have zenned a bit beyond that now, phew.
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Ommmmmmmmmm :D
 
Delvis said:
Regardless you've posted a direct insult towards the person, even if it wasn't you who said it.
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Nah bro, I don't think that of him, I never would even contemplate saying words like that to someone, I'm just forwarding external views of someone else which don't match my own opinions of said member.
 
Nitefly said:
Young people are intelligent and I'm sure that members of the forum are able to decide what is a reasonable point of view and what isn't.
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Yet they are not afforded the same trust with regards to other topics.

I'd rather my kid grow up and dabble in drugs than grow up being racist. But horses for courses, the rules are as they are.
 
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