Are OCUK Forums in decline?

Find me the overtly racist posts, and they will be dealt with appropriately.

You see, even words like this are just silly.

Overt racist posts are bad and will be dealt with.

But veiled and cunning racism is okay.

mmmkay. Over to the likes of Dirtydog, no worries, you are safe here.
 
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Oh, i see, back in action and was not perma banned for his last racial thread... just great... Have to wonder if the guy who was also banned for pointing out Ocuk's past is still banned then.

Racial thread, not necessarily racist thread.

There is no question that he is a racist (his posts on other forums confirm that fact), but OCUK moderators have to analyse the content that he posts here.

Yes, his threads are edgy. Yes, they could be considered to be racist but ultimately they aren't directly racist.

Totally crazy. Ocuk are tolerant towards racism. That is the message that is going out.

Yeah, and folk wonder if the place is going into decline...

They are generally more tolerant than other forums in many ways. I wouldn't say they are tolerant towards racism specifically.

It's not like people agree with him either, he usually just backs himself into a corner and then vanishes.
 
Oh do shut up. If you don't like it here you know where the door is.

Lol, slap the other cheek if you like :). I do like it here. What I do not like is how racist posters are dealt with. Some of them are obviously too cunning for the mods to have the balls to do the right thing with.

As mentioned, I am already in two minds about leaving because of it. I would also love to be able to have an honest and open discussion about what the owners actual views are without fear of being insta banned. Some things you can read about via google and ocuk's past has me potentially regreting spending money with the store in the first place. I try to spend my money ethically.
 
You see, even words like this are just silly.

Overt racist posts are bad and will be dealt with.

But veiled and cunning racism is okay.

mmmkay. Over to the likes of Dirtydog, no worries, you are safe here.

Oh look, some one else moaning and still sticking around :o

There is nothing wrong with discussing personal views quite frankly, unless you literally are just bad mouthing people.

Seriously dude, use your head? :confused:
 
Trouble is it makes ocuk (and it's users) look foolish by allowing it.

It would take far more than Dirtydogs asinine ramblings to make myself or many of the other 'users' of this forum look foolish.

It is not just racism but a whole range of subjects from Race to Religion to Welfare to Class Division.....the balance is difficult to maintain and overall the moderating team do a good job......Freefaller is especially hot on this kind of thing.

I question some of Dirtydogs posts as do many others, but that shouldn't mean he is permanently banned, I do question why he is rarely, if ever, suspended when others seem to get suspended for similar infractions, but that doesn't really effect me to much in how I view or use the forums.

The Forum is not tolerant of Racism per se either......more racist posts and threads are deleted than not, what the forum is is simply tolerant of opposing viewpoints that are articulated in a reasonable way, they may be racist, intolerant, or ignorant, often they are all three, but you do not fight intolerance with more intolerance. RTM posts/threads that are overtly racist or offensive and debate the life out of those that seek to hide their intolerance under a veil of moderate argument. They soon go away.

It certainly doesn't reflect on me that he is a racist or that he chooses to air his views on the same forum I use. My posts reflect on me, nothing more.
 
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Lol, slap the other cheek if you like :). I do like it here. What I do not like is how racist posters are dealt with. Some of them are obviously too cunning for the mods to have the balls to do the right thing with.

Again......Find posts doing this.
 
The other, very important thing to remember is that holding racist views is not illegal, nor is expressing them. There are offences relating to inciting racial hatred, and statutes preventing discrimination based on race in a variety of situations, but none of these prohibit racism.

The problem with freedom of speech is always that it applies to everyone. There is a judgement call for the business owners to make, namely whether being viewed as being tolerate of racism is better or worse than being viewed as intolerant of free speech.

I strongly, strongly disagree with posters such as Dirtydog (although other posters such as G_Whizz are far worse) and regularly call them on their lies and misinformation, or at least call on them to be honest that their views are being driven by prejudice rather than fact, but that doesn't mean I believe they should be silenced, provided they are complying with the law, and not upsetting the providers of the forum with any potential impact on the business their behaviour may be having.
 
I agree with what Robbo said, but I wish a moderator would have the confidence in their convictions to ban DirtyDog.

While he's not 'openly' racist, his threads and posts have racist undertones, his threads are only created for one reason (a platform to spit his bile) and while many other threads are confrontational and controversial, they often don't do it with a racist overtone.

I think that having someone of DirtyDogs posting on here does damage the reputation of the forum.
 
Hardly, only in GD or SC :o

I can't say i've seen any posts by him as of late anyway to be entirely honest
 
Lol, slap the other cheek if you like :). I do like it here. What I do not like is how racist posters are dealt with. Some of them are obviously too cunning for the mods to have the balls to do the right thing with.

As mentioned, I am already in two minds about leaving because of it. I would also love to be able to have an honest and open discussion about what the owners actual views are without fear of being insta banned. Some things you can read about via google and ocuk's past has me potentially regreting spending money with the store in the first place. I try to spend my money ethically.

I have the minerals to deal with anyone here in person or online. Sure there are some edgy posts but rather than censoring everything I general the ocuk membership tend to dish out a well argued rebuke which IMO carries far more weight than an edit ever would.

I'd rather censor blatant racism and let you give the subtle posts a real hiding.
 
Also you don't know how many threads and posts we DO actually delete and move away to quarantine. I can assure it is more than you realise.
 
I'd rather censor blatant racism and let you give the subtle posts a real hiding.

This doesn't work though does it?

DirtyDog still posts, his threads still get massive views and replies. I fail to see the difference between one really bad post and several not so bad posts. It amounts to one and the same in the end.

While GD has it's moments, the gang mentality and almost peer pressure in here is horrible at times.
 
No, it damages the reputation of the forum as a whole.

Well I'm still posting here, even when it was deemed 'racist', I couldn't give a badgers run over leg if a certain forum member was racist, it's entirely up to them.

I'll still frequent the forum and still buy from the shop if its the right price
 
You can add users to the ignore list if they really annoy you. Simple really, not every one gets on with every one unfortunately. That is just the way it is.
 
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