Are OCUK Forums in decline?

Freefaller said:
Whilst I abhor racism (I'd be a hyporcrite if I didn't :p), censoring debate is daft as it would kill the forums. Sure I accept and agree that rude and inappropriate comments should be moderated/removed, however, you can't really ban someone for saying "I hate black/white/asian/etc... people" can you? It would set an ugly precendent.

As long as people can have healthy and polite debate then I don't see the problem.

Admittedly if someone goes out of their way to spout trash such as "all black/white/asian/etc... people are this that or the other..." without a reasoned articulate debate I will completely agree that's pure trolling.

I'm happy to take on board criticism, and I will (I speak for myself here, but will of course take it up with the other moderators) endeavour to act better at balancing the debates/arguments into a less controversial style.

However, you need to RTM the comments, and/or email one of the mod team with how you've construed the offending posts and explain how it could be perceived as inappropriate.

Believe it or not, we're here to help and try and improve the forums, not overly moderate them. I admit we have to be tough at times, but they are for containment purposes, I honestly feel that in general this place is quite relaxed.
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I'd say saying that I hate someone of a particular skin colour would be banworthy. It's reprehensible and disgusting, and most definitely racist.
 
I don't think the whole racism issue is that bad really.

Using Dirtydog as an example (I don't think he'll mind), can someone actually show me a post he has made that is actually racist?
 
Shayper said:
I'd say saying that I hate someone of a particular skin colour would be banworthy. It's reprehensible and disgusting, and most definitely racist.
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Even if they give a reasoned argument? I'm not saying it's right, but people should be free to express their views? I'm not saying that a brazen I think all "white/black/asian/etc.. people are this and that" is ok, but what if they said "More often than not, I find that it is white/black/asian people that cause this/that/or the other problems...." and offer conclusive proof or valid well reasoned debate? No? What if they just make an observation... i.e. they've noticed that a particular ethnic group appear to do more/less of whatever? Surely that cannot be perceived as racist if it's an observation, even more so if it's quantifable/qualifiable by that person?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts - I will start a discussion with others in the DR to see if we can expand on the guidelines a bit. I'm just reticent on getting people too touchy/caught up on the whole racism thing as it can and is an emotive subject.
 
mrbell1984 said:
Toast is not Toast it's bread. Toast is what happens to bread when put in a Toaster.
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Toast is still toast.

One doesn't say. "Can I have a piece of bread that has been put in a toaster for 3 minutes?" One simply asks for toast.
 
MooMoo444 said:
I'd say its in decline, I just seen a topic saying "Do you poop at work?"

I lol'd.
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I do, in a timely fashion at around 15:05 each and every day at work, do you?

Am actually sporting a ring of fire as we speak. The way I look at it is, get paid to do so on work time, they can't contest it, and it's not using my toilet paper.

Win/Win.
 
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I cover the work toilet in paper when I poop, apparently some people at my place can't figure out how to sit on the toilet...
 
groen said:
I don't think it has a right-wing racist image. I think that you think it has that image.
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Your having a laugh aren't you :confused::confused:

Overclockers has been regarded as a right-wing racist forum on the internet for years and years now, you must either only visit this site or live under a stone if you don't know that.

It doesn't help when the owner starts a thread titled 'Why do all Pakis smell' :eek:
 
KNiVES said:
It's gone downhill ever since people felt like it was such a right-wing forum that they could post racist bile without repercussion and a whole lot of approval and agreement. The moderating team has done a weak attempt of curbing it by posting a blithe religious thread warning but what good has that done? It's simply made people change the term from 'Muslims' to 'immigrants/pakis' instead.

If I was a moderator I would have closed all far-right threads immediately and perma-banned those who made the threads. Don't give me the 'right to expression' rubbish either, these people are treated in exactly the same way in society. There is no place and no need for it, and failure to act on it is the same as approval in my opinion.
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This moderation conflict isn't a new problem, I remember dealing with the conflict between freedom of speech and bigoted views back when I was a Don (we're talking 2002-2006 or so).

Banning people for expressing views you don't agree with, no matter how strongly you disagree with them, is no way to run a forum that, broadly speaking, is quite liberal in it's membership in many ways, especially around freedom of speech and so on.

Of course, there are limits, there are rules enshrined in law as well as (potentially) business concerns about brand value and so on, but comments that cause issue with the former are always dealt with quickly, and the latter is the concern of those above the moderation team.
 
I remember when the Relic forums was really busy at all times of the day, now its very very quiet. I think most forums eventually die off somewhat.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Your having a laugh aren't you :confused::confused:

Overclockers has been regarded as a right-wing racist forum on the internet for years and years now, you must either only visit this site or live under a stone if you don't know that.

It doesn't help when the owner starts a thread titled 'Why do all Pakis smell' :eek:
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Remind me, why exactly are you here then? :p

I'm on these forums most days, and really don't see many if any racist remarks
 
Freefaller said:
you can't really ban someone for saying "I hate black/white/asian/etc... people" can you? It would set an ugly precendent.
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For real? Of course you can, it doesn't set an ugly precedent, it shows that OcUK would have a none tolerance attitude towards racism. In fact, if you don't, one starts wonder why? The 'freedom of expression' argument is a poor one... Hey lets start all those other topics shall we? 'I like to have sex with children' 'I love raping old women' 'Homo Fags should be shot'.

Catch my drift?

As sharper says;

Shayper said:
I'd say saying that I hate someone of a particular skin colour would be banworthy. It's reprehensible and disgusting, and most definitely racist.
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How can you not hold that opinion? There is a huge difference between jumping on here and saying 'I hate blacks' and something that would be discussing rascism as a subject.

Robbo said:
I don't think the whole racism issue is that bad really.

Using Dirtydog as an example (I don't think he'll mind), can someone actually show me a post he has made that is actually racist?
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Yeah okay Robbo, sounds like you wouldn't be able to see the woods for the trees mate.

Robbo said:
I'd hold your tongue on these subjects if I were you, or you'll be gone.

If you don't like it here, leave.
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Oh, the irony of it all....

Yeah, one would imagine many people have... the trouble is mate if all the people who disagree with thinly veiled racism on here leave, what does that leave? Fewer people to disagree with the racism thats what.
 
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