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Are Valve and AMD about to ruin PC gaming?

Arthur Hucksake said:
SteamOS will be a failure, so will the SteamBox. Anyone who buys them will look back and think "Now why did I buy that? *Puts next to HD-DVD player".

Far too much vested interest from a multi-billion corporation with ties into the biggest of Western Governments.

It's just Gabe's wet dream of grandeur, that will be a pricey experiment for all involved.

Mantle will also end up the same way, pointless.... like PhysX is.
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I feel that SteamOS has a chance and with Nvidia GPU's, an even better chance. Nvidia are putting a lot of work into Linux and this could pay off. I was looking to upgrade to W8 but with SteamOS on the horizon, I might just hold off and go the dual OS way.

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flopper said:
Right, why do you post here then :D

The gaming landscape is changing and Microsoft is getting a lot of heat, wonder if the app take money for games got something to do with it.
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This forum needs somebody like me to keep the AMD guys feet firmly on the ground.:p
 
Our industry doesn't like proprietary standards. In the early days of our industry, you could get away with it and it worked. We’ve all had enough of it. They’re unhealthy. Now, collectively our industry doesn’t want a proprietary standard. That’s why people are migrating to OpenCL.
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AMD claims the above
AMD develops Mantle

Contradicting much...
Yet still people hang on their every word :rolleyes:
 
Gregster said:
It worked out at pennies for each GPU and AMD didn't even phone Nvidia. I can't blame AMD for only allowing GCN to use Mantle and if it is as good as the hype is suggesting, it could well be worth having.
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ubersonic said:
AMD/DICE confirmed it is PhysX style a while ago:
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While i cannot say im to happy about that I do however still feel there is a difference between Mantle and PhysX, one enables better performance for that specific brand, the other enables game changing effects. One is being written to specific hardware, the other, while also written for specific hardware, is disabled if there is competitors hardware in the machine.

If nvidia did expand the NVAPI, which i really think they should, that would be basicly the same as Mantle. And just to be clear before some random guy reads this out of context, I want the best performance for both the red camp and green camp, I want the responsibility of performance to be in the AMD/nVidia's hands and I don't want game/gameplay changing effects to be excluded from either side as that is just bad for the consumer.
 
Phixsator said:
While i cannot say im to happy about that I do however still feel there is a difference between Mantle and PhysX, one enables better performance for that specific brand, the other enables game changing effects. One is being written to specific hardware, the other, while also written for specific hardware, is disabled if there is competitors hardware in the machine.

If nvidia did expand the NVAPI, which i really think they should, that would be basicly the same as Mantle. And just to be clear before some random guy reads this out of context, I want the best performance for both the red camp and green camp, I want the responsibility of performance to be in the AMD/nVidia's hands and I don't want game/gameplay changing effects to be excluded from either side as that is just bad for the consumer.
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Agreed and as consumers, it would pay for both AMD and Nvidia to club together on a API that benefits us both but I would bet my house on that never happening in my lifetime. Oneupmansip seems to be the way forward for both :(
 
It's not clear cut at all with PhysX. To my recollection Nvidia paid good money for it. Like you say Phixsator, everyone wants an open standard as it works in the consumers interest. But unfortunately everyone knows how industry driven this sector is.

Look at it as if we were talking automotives. Ford designs the brilliant ecoboost engine. You don't see Vauxhall owners whining that they can't have the same technology in their car. If you really want it you buy a Ford...

I know it's not comparatively the same due to the nature of the business, but from a business perspective. You don't just hand out your chips for free just because "well it's actually pretty easy to put it on"...it's just not good practice.
 
MjFrosty said:
Look at it as if we were talking automotives. Ford designs the brilliant ecoboost engine. You don't see Vauxhall owners whining that they can't have the same technology in their car. If you really want it you buy a Ford...
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There are umpteen different cars on the market, there are only 2 choices in graphics cards.
 
MjFrosty said:
Look at it as if we were talking automotives. Ford designs the brilliant ecoboost engine. You don't see Vauxhall owners whining that they can't have the same technology in their car. If you really want it you buy a Ford...
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Also this situation would be more like ford saying were are working with Bill and Ted the tarmac contractors and their roads will allow you to get an extra 10 MPG with our eco boost technology, its completely open for others to use but only works with eco boost technology. :D
 
Orangey said:
There are umpteen different cars on the market, there are only 2 choices in graphics cards.
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Then you choose the one you want, instead of whining about what the card you have hasn't got...

If PhysX is so pointless then I don't see why there are so many end users on here that whine that it isn't open standard. Or is it the same basis that most people buy AMD cards because they're cheaper :rolleyes:

Oh no I didn't just go there. :D


I'm not fighting any-one corner. Just the principle that people want everything for nothing goes some way to cripple debate. I like all things GPU related.
 
MjFrosty said:
If PhysX is so pointless then I don't see why there are so many end users on here that whine that it isn't open standard. Or is it the same basis that most people buy AMD cards because they're cheaper :rolleyes:
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To be fair they aren't really whining about missing out on the effects I think it's more to do with the aspect of it being locked down and the effect it has on consumers.
 
Suarez7 said:
To be fair they aren't really whining about missing out on the effects I think it's more to do with the aspect of it being locked down and the effect it has on consumers.
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That's just the way it goes though isn't it. If you're that against buying an Nvidia product then PhysX isn't going to really sway you. Maybe it will be open standard in time, but if PhysX wasn't returning Nvidia an investment, I'm sure they'd source it out eventually.

It's a crime to make money in the computer industry lol. Anyway best get back OT.
 
From a business perspective then ofcourse it's obvious to see why any company would want to lock a feature down that shows their cards off in better light to their competitors.

All of us here are consumers though and I don't give a hoot how much money either are making, I yearn for a card that can do it all and my decision isn't swayed in the slightest by locked down API's and what not.
 
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