Argentina withdraws from 2016 pact with UK over the Falklands, wants to restart negotiations regarding ownership.

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Hi All,

As reported over a wide range of media this morning, Argentina has decided to withdraw from a 2016 pact with the UK as they wish to restart negotiations regarding the ownership of the Falklands. Our foreign secretary James Cleverly has tweeted out the UK's official, unchanged, position on the Falklands in return -


Here's some media reports, ranging from what I would suggest is a more neutral tone from Reuters to the like of the Daily Mail which take a slightly different approach.

www.bbc.co.uk

James Cleverly says Falklands are British as Argentina ends deal

Argentina has broken a co-operation deal and is calling for talks over the sovereignty of the Falklands.
www.bbc.co.uk

www.reuters.com

Argentina asks UK to resume negotiations over Falklands

The Argentine government has again asked the United Kingdom to restart negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, the Argentine Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

www.telegraph.co.uk

Argentina withdraws from ‘agree to disagree’ pact over Falklands sovereignty

Foreign minister Santiago Cafiero renewed demands for negotiations as James Cleverly reminded him ‘the Islands are British’
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

www.dailymail.co.uk

Argentina RIPS UP Falklands pact with UK

The UK-ruled Falkland Islands, known as the Malvinas in Spanish, were the subject of a short but brutal war after Argentina invaded in 1982.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21576823/ministers-fury-argentina-demands-fresh-talks-on-falklands/

I spent a lovely 4 months down at MPA in the Falklands back in 2013 whilst still in the RAF so, understandably, my opinion on this veers towards the more aggressive side of "hands off" in this debate. However previously Argentina has used the Falklands as a smokescreen to hide their own internal problems from the population so I wonder if that is what is at play again or if they've seen how overstretched the UK military is supporting Ukraine and just fancies adding to our problems? Sadly my understanding of Argentina's current internal situation is virtually zero so it's time for some interweb research so that I can become an instant expert within a few seconds and then use that hard earned expertise to form an unchanging opinion that I will die to defend :D

Anyway, more potential "conflict" is really not what the world needs right now and it'd be nice if people just chilled the hell out.
 
Given the Falklands are UK territory why would it not be considered article 5 attack on NATO or does it not apply to outer territories far away ?

Although our Navy would absolutely demolish theirs, not sure how they would mount an effective grab of the islands they only have 2 amphibious assault ships even if we're weakened supplying Ukraine, the main force we'd need to defend them, the Navy, isn't weakened by Ukraine at all unless we start loaning Ukraine our ships to protect the Black sea but that isn't likely
 
Minusorange said:
Given the Falklands are UK territory why would it not be considered article 5 attack on NATO or does it not apply to outer territories far away ?
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Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
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Lady Thatcher was awesome during the last war, not sure anyone stands out who might even come near to her instant decisions and stalwart leadership in this day and age. Just the logistics of getting stuff there is a nightmare. I guess the Argentinians (can we call them Argies still, or is that hate speach or something now?) have sensed we are haemorrhaging what little we have on Ukraine and fancy seeing what the reaction is.
 
I was reading about this earlier. The UK government should just announce that they will support whatever the Falkland Islanders wish to do. The moment they wish to stop being part of the British empire then sovereignty discussions can take place.

It was interesting that the Argentinian ambassador to the UK was saying that the younger generation don't even know what the Falklands war was, or why there is "beef" between the UK and Argentina. But it's still very much a sore point across all generations in Argentina. Frankly they need to move on focus on the present and future rather than the past.
 
"Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security "

Does the fact that the Falkland Islands are off South America, and although British territories are not in Europe or North America affect Article 5's meaning?
 
Thekwango said:
I saw it on its ‘farewell’ tour a few years back. The sight of it banking, what seemed like just above and in front of us, was awesome. The sound though. Oh my the sound. You could ‘feel’ the roar all around you.
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Do yourself a favour and watch this documentary, it details the operation to bomb the airstrips in Argentina and the challenges faced by the ops team. Honestly to this day one of the best documentaries I've ever watched:



@Housey watch it too, trust me it's worth it.
 
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